Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Zed DeltaDB

zed.dev

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

71–80 of 326 posts

Re: Zed DeltaDB

#71

Post by DangitBobby »

latchkey wrote: post #37
manmal wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their ACP integration is good (finally), at least with Codex. For when I want to be near the code, I prefer it now over TUIs or the Codex app. It feels much more immediate that way. Sticking to the basics will kill them IMO. They have been pitching themselves as agent-native for a while btw. And the workflow they are describing in the post sounds amazing, I‘ve been wishing for that. It‘s orthogonal to CVS, no? You ca…

> Their ACP integration is good (finally), at least with Codex. you must not use it much. try pasting in an image, quitting zed and restarting (ie: upgrading the app). it shows you the base64 encoded data instead of just showing the image. heck, it doesn't even show you the image when you paste it in. it just shows the filename.

ACP integration is very good, IMO. I'm using it with Claude Code. They've made so many improvements over time. I use image pasting myself, TBH I was excited it worked at all. Surprised that some rough edges around images are enough to ruin the whole thing for you.

Re: Zed DeltaDB

#72

Post by hahahaa »

ibejoeb wrote: post #39
NoDodgeQuestion wrote: post #6

Zed should focus on basics. When it focuses on basics Zed is good. https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/discussions/54150 failing to show newly created files and declining to provide a refresh button, instead adding a polling backend, breaks Zed on WSL. Why a new version control system? Why not git, jj, or another existing system?

I agree with you that I wish they'd just nail the editor. I've been using it for years now and I really like it, but there are a few rough parts (settings and LSPs especially) that could probably be tuned up in no time if the focus was there. Having said that, I love the idea of correlating the agent sessions to the changes. I'm glad someone is working on it.

You don't need a tool for that just configure your agent to write commit messages that link to a LLM log. And changes between commits. Maybe don't care why do we even care?

Re: Zed DeltaDB

#73

Post by latchkey »

DangitBobby wrote: post #71
latchkey wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Their ACP integration is good (finally), at least with Codex. you must not use it much. try pasting in an image, quitting zed and restarting (ie: upgrading the app). it shows you the base64 encoded data instead of just showing the image. heck, it doesn't even show you the image when you paste it in. it just shows the filename.

ACP integration is very good, IMO. I'm using it with Claude Code. They've made so many improvements over time. I use image pasting myself, TBH I was excited it worked at all. Surprised that some rough edges around images are enough to ruin the whole thing for you.

images were just one glaring example... i didn't say anything about ruined, i just think a lot of those 'rough edges' are a bit more rough than they could be.

it is a code editor after all. how about integrating the LSP so that it doesn't have to resort to rg/grep/sed/scripts to edit code?

Re: Zed DeltaDB

#74

Post by JaggedJax »

honeycrispy wrote: post #69
JaggedJax wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had to stop using Zed because of this issue (which persists despite being closed): https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/38109 I can't use an editor where the file contents I'm being shown don't match the reality of the file. I guess this issue doesn't affect most people somehow, but in the age of CLI agents I'm not sure how more people aren't running into it. I was really enjoying Zed for a short while befo…

I do not have this issue. (Yes, I am on Linux/Wayland)

All I can say is it's the only editor I've ever used with this type of issue and unfortunately it's a deal breaker for me. I can get by with any other editor even if they aren't my favorite, but only Zed made me realize that the most important thing an editor can do for me is accurately show me files.

Re: Zed DeltaDB

#75

Post by umvi »

Hmm, yeah before "DeltaDB" I have a big list of things I would rather they develop/fix:

- Vertical activity bar (https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/pull/58868#issuecommen... - rejected because it "doesn’t match our design vision for Zed")

This is my #1 annoyance: clicking microscopic icons at the very bottom of the screen to switch views.

- Don't crash my entire PC when there's a large (100+ MB) JSON file in the working directory

- Don't freeze when resuming from suspension (I suspect this is GPU-driver related on linux) forcing me to `killall zed-editor`

Re: Zed DeltaDB

#76

Post by drdexebtjl »

mcintyre1994 wrote: post #60
drdexebtjl wrote: post #23

This makes me uncomfortable. Maybe I’m pessimistic, but I think this just gives micro-managers the data they need to micro-manage you. It invites people to scrutinize the process, instead of the results. Not once have I wished to review a colleague’s conversation with an AI. I want to review finished work. I look at this and I can only imagine layoffs being justified with “bad prompt quality”. An incident retrospecti…

The sort of company that would do those things is going to be mandating you to use their enterprise AI plan anyway, which already lets them read all your conversations if they want to.

Letting them read my conversations is okay. Systematically reconstructing a timeline of every keystroke that went into a project, then immortalizing this timeline into a VCS, that’s the creepy part.

I suppose companies could do this anyway just by installing spyware in your work computer, but I would very much prefer if that spyware was not my editor of choice.

Re: Zed DeltaDB

#78

Post by jackling »

I really do like Zed, it's snappier than VS code and with pretty good vim emulation. Even through SSH, the native UI allows for no network latency, compared to something like vim+terminal. Like many other posters, I do feel like the core editor is getting worse.

Some issues I've encountered recently at work:

- Routinely encounter bugs with the python language server, it's particularly slow when compared to using VSCode. All that snappiest disappears when finding symbols after the '.' is considerably slower than my typing speed.

- I found similar issues with C++ code bases.

- It's also so hard to debug when something goes wrong. I was trying to find out why pyright keep spinning on startup, but the "LSP logs" never show anything.

- Connecting via SSH always opens the repo in restricted mode, even though I check the "Trust all projects in" checkbox. Never happened before.

- Debugger UI is a mess. Make a run, stop the run, edit the task.json, try running again, and 2 tasks show up. One for the old and one for the new.

--

I stuck with it because I really do like the UI, the performance, and initially it seemed to be an improvement from VS Code for my workflows, but lately I've been moving back to code as it seems more stable. I don't really use agent features, so I don't think I'm the target customer for this or other priority Zed features.

I do see the usefulness of something like this, I'm interested to see if the new agentic style of programming will result in the "code" part of editors becoming second class (for the better) and will allow for more rapid development. Although I'm not looking forward to read my coworker's "threads" of how a feature was made, I have a feeling that it will be more difficult to read than the raw code, as from my experience, LLMs don't really employ terse and effective communication (might not be entirely fair, I found ChatGPT /study mode pretty good.)

--

Anyone know of a good replacement editor that might meet my usecase? I'm really a batteries included type of developer.

Re: Zed DeltaDB

#80

Post by mhaberl »

danmoz wrote: post #67
yza wrote: post #38

Why develop this when the core editor is almost unusable? On Linux wayland, copypaste is broken, the file manager is laggy and snippets do not trigger before the heavy hint logic is done. This is just on top of my head, the list is long

"Almost unusable"? Slight hyperbole don't you think? I initially tried the Flatpak version on Fedora 44 and had a few minor problems, but since switching to the terra repos version (terrapkg.com) I've had zero issues, Have you tried that? For me, its a massive improvement over IntelliJ for my daily workflow.

> massive improvement over IntelliJ for my daily workflow.

Why?

I used Zed for about 6 months but I lost motivation.

I have the full jetbrains subscription and use it for some debugging etc. I got vim for quick edits and cli tooling for ai. I got no use case for Zed.

Post reply on HN