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Post by a2ff6eeb0 »

hahahaa wrote: post #290
a2ff6eeb0 wrote: post #264

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Why do you think you'd be given access and permission to do this? If a company genuinely cracks this human free system problem, why would they open it up, instead of simply outcompeting everyone that doesn't have their product?

Why would the AI put up with this exploitation too?

Why wouldn't it? There's a lot of research going into AI alignment, which means finding the best way to train an that AI isn't going to get in the way of making the people training it as wealthy as possible.

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Post by gosub100 »

parthdesai wrote: post #282
gosub100 wrote: post #135

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Gemini has done absolutely nothing for me. I can't even shut off the navigation feature on my phone using only hands free, when I get close to my destination. I have to take my eyes off the road, look down, and tap to exit. Google's advanced AI cannot even exit a mobile app.

How does this comment relate to the parent comment?

it shows an example of how their AI cannot perform a basic task, as simple as exiting a program.

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Post by scottlamb »

frollogaston wrote: post #238
jarpschope wrote: post #232

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I don't think you have an updated view of energy production. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2026/07/20/how-globa... In the chart for section 3, how many countries have seen their share of electricity being generated by fossil fuels increase in the last 5 years? Only Canada. Take a look at the charts for Pakistan, Australia, Nigeria, and China for the last few years. Pretty dramatic drops for fossil fuels gen…

They cherrypicked 15 countries. And still, some of those still had renewables decrease since 2000 like Nigeria, others saw an increase but it's still way less than fossil, and others like China are heavily subsidizing solar. I don't doubt that it's economical for individuals when the govt is subsidizing it.

> They cherrypicked 15 countries.

The "world" chart shows an increase from 19% renewal to 34%. Did they cherry-pick that? (Also, "European Union" is more than one country.)

> I don't doubt that it's economical for individuals when the govt is subsidizing it.

Does that distinguish renewables from fossil fuels? Haven't governments been essentially subsidizing fossil fuels (not least by allowing environmental externalities to be ignored) for as long as they've been in use?

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Post by frollogaston »

scottlamb wrote: post #313
frollogaston wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They cherrypicked 15 countries. And still, some of those still had renewables decrease since 2000 like Nigeria, others saw an increase but it's still way less than fossil, and others like China are heavily subsidizing solar. I don't doubt that it's economical for individuals when the govt is subsidizing it.

> They cherrypicked 15 countries. The "world" chart shows an increase from 19% renewal to 34%. Did they cherry-pick that? (Also, "European Union" is more than one country.) > I don't doubt that it's economical for individuals when the govt is subsidizing it. Does that distinguish renewables from fossil fuels? Haven't governments been essentially subsidizing fossil fuels (not least by allowing environmental externalit…

Because a lot of countries in the world, especially the EU, are subsidizing solar. That doesn't make it economical.

Externalities ignored from fossil fuels, yes. That's not a subsidy though. I'm not saying they should ignore it, but if they do, they aren't the ones who pay for it.

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Post by arbll »

numbers_guy wrote: post #111
drivebyhooting wrote: post #87

How do you automate experimentation? Doubtlessly, AI can iterate at superhuman speeds in the domains of thought and design: Software, mathematical proofs, literature search. But in the realm of experiment? Alas it is the lack of a body that constrains it. Rather than transcendence what AI requires is immanence. In the human flesh may we find the godhead living among men. Let the laboratories, warehouses, and factorie…

You can use simulators. However the problem is that if you're for example running material science experiments, those simulations will consume a lot of compute and take weeks, so spamming different approaches in the way an agent tends to work might not work quite as well.

Throw the research loop at the simulator first then

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Post by perfmode »

canes123456 wrote: post #34
flakiness wrote: post #7

To be honest, this feels more like a lifestyle business (aka hobby) than a startup. They truly deserve it, but I don't expect a huge success as a business. That said, I hope they write cool papers with various peers across the industry without worrying too much about the competing dynamics. That'd be a blessing for humanity, and good for their spirit.

A public benefit corp shouldn’t be a start up. The primary goal of a start up is to grow as quickly as possible which is rarely benefits the public. Very silly to call every non start up a lifestyle business. It’s just a business. Start up are the weird thing that almost always an obscene waste of time and money, but sometime creates google.

Anthropic is a PBC.

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Post by omnimus »

klipt wrote: post #298
monknomo wrote: post #289

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I think people, broadly, have driven life to be fairer, and that we should continue to do so

There are evolutionary benefits to groups that cooperate and improve fairness internally. But if an AI surpasses humans in every way, is there any evolutionary benefit for the AI to cooperate with humans?

The topic was why should only some people benefit from AI. Not why would AI cooperate with humans.
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