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Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Only if the jury believes in nullification, which isn't common. The jury is instructed to follow the law. The selection process asks "even if you think they were right, if it's against the law and they were guilty would you issue a guilty verdict?" and people answer "yes" consistently.

As I rudely learned when I was preparing to use the "I'm gonna do jury nullification" thing during a jury selection, there are a few states, including mine, where jury nullification is explicitly "not-stated" but not a uniquely acceptable reason to strike a juror, despite what our juror handbook might claim about violating an "oath" (you cannot be punished for "violating an oath" if you are selected). I was lucky tha…

My last stint on grand jury we had a case that none of us felt great about. It was a felony theft charge where the thief likely used the vehicle regularly but took it in the middle of the night to return home. He was at a logging camp where he pays for accommodations but they had no work for him. After 3 days he got frustrated and left in the middle of the night. Camp foreman called the law reporting the vehicle stolen. The officer went and checked at the now missing guy's house and the vehicle was parked in his driveway.

The whole group felt the felony charge was too much for that series of events. Somebody said "I don't want to vote on this". I suggested that is a valid option. The vote was the weakest of all the cases we covered. Several abstentions but just enough to send the case to trial.

To me that is nullification in practice. It is "the community" deciding that they don't believe the State is right in pursuing conviction. Juries are meant to be a randomized "council of elders" type body not just cogs in the machine.

Using your belief in jury nullification as a tool to get out of your duty as a citizen rubs me the wrong way. You have to participate in the functions of civilization if you want it to reflect your beliefs.

Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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> terrorize large cities Oh I wonder what kind of terror he's talking about > Illegal blocking of sidewalk selling fake handbags Jesus Christ. If this is what brings you to a surveillance state with open arms maybe you should talk to people outside of your bubble.

It doesn't have to be like this. Why do you accept it? Serious question. You don't need a surveillance state. How many indignities do you stomach for what exactly? Some false sense of freedom? Freedom to buy illegal unlicensed untaxed weed? Freedom to get run over by a delivery ebike?

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Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Also Flock, in the past week: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49171656 241 comments How Cops Are Trying to Hide Their Use of Flock https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49172076 9 comments Flock's CEO Faced Me After Its Cameras Led to My Wrongful Stop https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49156650 118 comments Flock – Chilling Effects: Long Island…

Man outlines how hardened criminals take down Flock cameras, detailing it step-by-step: https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1v78ihu/...

Hopefully none of those hardened criminals know that a circular saw is the fastest way by far to cut through posts!

Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Maybe they can start enforcing the law when it comes to blatant offenders that terrorize large cities. Illegal blocking of sidewalk selling fake handbags, selling untaxed marijuana on street corners, violating traffic laws on e-bikes. A lot of wood to chop before they get to my jay walking so I think I’m safe for the time being. But I welcome more enforcement

This comment is satire, correct?

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Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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This is the big problem with mass surveillance as a whole. With enough time, they'll find some pretext to bring you in, even if the original crime they want you for is weak. This will ruin lives, even if they're eventually let go. Jobs lost, evicted from homes, cars towed, pets surrendered and put down. Lives will be completely derailed, police and judges will not be held accountable. The wrongful arrestees will stil…

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Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Someone that is innocent is going to get killed soon because flock flagged them incorrectly. I recall reading the auto journalist that got flagged for a stolen car while test driving a car. We have seen how often pull over/arrests can derail when a stupid cop that is aggressive pulls out their weapon first, fires fast and then investigates last. An innocent person that reacts wrongly is eventually going to make the n…

https://www.jalopnik.com/2219072/auto-journalist-harassed-by... Link for the curious

Link straight from the source (the actual journalist)

https://www.thedrive.com/news/how-flock-cameras-wrongly-trac...

Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Why is this a reality? Tokyo is not like this. There was a lot less of this petty criminality 10 years ago.

Go move to Tokyo then. I'm sure their safe and open society will welcome you. >There was a lot less of this petty criminality 10 years ago. No there wasn't. Or are you saying that because material reality is now encroaching on your bubble?

That's cute, the whole "if you don't like it leave" argument.

But I am not Japanese. I have no ties in Tokyo and they have a sensible immigration policy that doesn't allow just anyone to come.

I'm American and want to make America a safer and better place for the 95% of people that want to live in an orderly society.

Of course there was less crime in NYC 10 years ago. Don't gas light me. Bootleg handbag sales were Chinatown only, there wasn't weed sales on every corner in midtown. Fentanyl zombies weren't a thing. Things weren't perfect, we still had subway dancers and pushy CD scammers, but it wasn't nearly as bad

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