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Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Post by queenkjuul »

bluegatty wrote: post #99
MSFT_Edging wrote: post #11

This is the big problem with mass surveillance as a whole. With enough time, they'll find some pretext to bring you in, even if the original crime they want you for is weak. This will ruin lives, even if they're eventually let go. Jobs lost, evicted from homes, cars towed, pets surrendered and put down. Lives will be completely derailed, police and judges will not be held accountable. The wrongful arrestees will stil…

You started out right but this: "This will ruin lives, even if they're eventually let go. Jobs lost, evicted from homes, cars towed, pets surrendered and put down." No. The 'domestic violence and prohibited substances' is the part that will ruin lives directly. Domestic violence, bad. The drugs, debatable, but that's a matter of getting 'weed' made legal, not a surveillance issue. It's not 'destroyed lives from crime…

> Flock is not helping cops be 'dirty cops' or anything.

Yes it very much is, there's plenty of evidence

Note that all the other charges against this person were dropped.

Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Post by nout »

bko wrote: post #15
MSFT_Edging wrote: post #11

This is the big problem with mass surveillance as a whole. With enough time, they'll find some pretext to bring you in, even if the original crime they want you for is weak. This will ruin lives, even if they're eventually let go. Jobs lost, evicted from homes, cars towed, pets surrendered and put down. Lives will be completely derailed, police and judges will not be held accountable. The wrongful arrestees will stil…

Maybe they can start enforcing the law when it comes to blatant offenders that terrorize large cities. Illegal blocking of sidewalk selling fake handbags, selling untaxed marijuana on street corners, violating traffic laws on e-bikes. A lot of wood to chop before they get to my jay walking so I think I’m safe for the time being. But I welcome more enforcement

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Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Post by colonelpopcorn »

MSFT_Edging wrote: post #11

This is the big problem with mass surveillance as a whole. With enough time, they'll find some pretext to bring you in, even if the original crime they want you for is weak. This will ruin lives, even if they're eventually let go. Jobs lost, evicted from homes, cars towed, pets surrendered and put down. Lives will be completely derailed, police and judges will not be held accountable. The wrongful arrestees will stil…

I went on a grand jury in early 2025, and it was eye opening to see that under my state's laws the "smell of weed" is enough to justify a traffic stop and search of a vehicle.

Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Post by saalweachter »

segmondy wrote: post #31
MSFT_Edging wrote: post #11

This is the big problem with mass surveillance as a whole. With enough time, they'll find some pretext to bring you in, even if the original crime they want you for is weak. This will ruin lives, even if they're eventually let go. Jobs lost, evicted from homes, cars towed, pets surrendered and put down. Lives will be completely derailed, police and judges will not be held accountable. The wrongful arrestees will stil…

Someone that is innocent is going to get killed soon because flock flagged them incorrectly. I recall reading the auto journalist that got flagged for a stolen car while test driving a car. We have seen how often pull over/arrests can derail when a stupid cop that is aggressive pulls out their weapon first, fires fast and then investigates last. An innocent person that reacts wrongly is eventually going to make the n…

I mean, even people who are guilty of many crimes shouldn't be summarily executed in the street. Stealing a television or driving a tractor trailer of illegal weed from coast to coast isn't a death sentence even after a jury trial & conviction, so we shouldn't really be all that sanguine about guilty people being killed either.

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Post by FatherOfCurses »

bko wrote: post #60
smallybigs wrote: post #37

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Brother, you want mass surveillance because of bikes, handbags, and weed. I guarantee there is _some_ group that finds some aspect of you, your life, or that of some of your loved ones at least as annoying as you find those things.

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Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Post by ycombinatrix »

bko wrote: post #84
inigyou wrote: post #23

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I agree. You stole $5 from me and I'm glad with the help of Flock you can be tracked down and brought to justice.

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No, I saw you take the $5. Good luck convincing the police you didn't.

Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Post by MeteorMarc »

Mass surveillance based on social media is prohibited in The Netherlands and presumably other European countries. However, running specific profiles on police owned ANPR camera's could be declared a proportional breach of privacy and thus legal.

Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Post by monster_truck »

They used to do this with normal DOT cameras anyways. That doesn't make it okay. The neat part is when they use fake names and badge numbers to deny that the stop ever even happened in the first place. It's much harder to get away with that these days

Experienced this about 15 years ago, was lucky to have my friend along for the ride, who was a photographer. The pictures of those cops are the only evidence we have that it even happened. They wrote a whole pile of tickets that didn't exist when I went to try and pay them.

Another time I had a state trooper say I was doing 140 in a 130hp car. He claimed that because I was wearing cutoff sweatpant shorts that I was growing weed? These dudes are useless.

Forget about all of this, though. If you want to be mad, check out the solve rate for hit and runs over the past 20 years. Damage only cases are something like 1 in 10. Fatalities 2 in 5. With all these fucking cameras. What percentage of those 9 in 10 or 3 in 5 are cops, do you think?

Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Post by jst1fthsdys »

bko wrote: post #111
jst1fthsdys wrote: post #85

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Why is this a reality? Tokyo is not like this. There was a lot less of this petty criminality 10 years ago.

Go move to Tokyo then. I'm sure their safe and open society will welcome you.

>There was a lot less of this petty criminality 10 years ago.

No there wasn't. Or are you saying that because material reality is now encroaching on your bubble?

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