A migrant surge tests Spain's open policies • Hacker News Board

Re: A migrant surge tests Spain's open policies

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Post by pvaldes » Sat, Aug 01, 2026, 11:17 PM UTC

lukan wrote: post #10

shikck200 wrote: post #6

So immigrants flooded the border, and then noticed they never actually left Africa? What kind of dumb is this?

They were aware, but there were rulings in spain before making it harder to push them back, so with missinformation they assumed once they made it in, they can stay. And then legally travel to europe.

> And then legally travel to Europe.

They could swim from Africa all the way to Europe. Being allowed to pick a plane or a ship without money or documents is a different thing. Most of them just returned home when their phone battery discharged.

Re: A migrant surge tests Spain's open policies

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Post by fcatalan » Sun, Aug 02, 2026, 2:04 AM UTC

xdennis wrote: post #79

fcatalan wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are not in the business of mass massacres. Maybe the US should come and study how to deport 60k people in 24h whithout having to shoot anyone.

> We are not in the business of mass massacres. Ridiculous take. Defense is not a massacre. They are almost all fighting age men, and they outnumber the fighting age men of Ceuta. They've caused enourmous damage to Ceuta. All of this could have been prevented if there were men with guns guarding those walls. During Franco, Ceuta was guarded by a 1 meter tall fence made of barbed wire. No one dared to cross it because…

All that tough talk stems from fear.

That fear is fed with dog whistles like "fighting age men" and ample misinformation.

Ceuta is guarded by a 10 meter tall fence equipped with thermal cameras and noise detectors. This people didn't jump that fence, just swam around its end into the sea.

Ceuta is garrisoned by elite units of the Spanish Army, on top of border patrol and police. We have plenty of guns there, but choose not to use them on misled teenagers in swimming trunks and flipflops.

No lasting damage has been reported in Ceuta. This has been less violent than sport event celebrations.

Consider stepping out of the information bubble that weaponizes you as a supporter of mass killing.

Re: A migrant surge tests Spain's open policies

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Aug 02, 2026, 5:44 AM UTC

fcatalan wrote: post #82

xdennis wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We are not in the business of mass massacres. Ridiculous take. Defense is not a massacre. They are almost all fighting age men, and they outnumber the fighting age men of Ceuta. They've caused enourmous damage to Ceuta. All of this could have been prevented if there were men with guns guarding those walls. During Franco, Ceuta was guarded by a 1 meter tall fence made of barbed wire. No one dared to cross it because…

All that tough talk stems from fear. That fear is fed with dog whistles like "fighting age men" and ample misinformation. Ceuta is guarded by a 10 meter tall fence equipped with thermal cameras and noise detectors. This people didn't jump that fence, just swam around its end into the sea. Ceuta is garrisoned by elite units of the Spanish Army, on top of border patrol and police. We have plenty of guns there, but choo…

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Re: A migrant surge tests Spain's open policies

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Post by dtagames » Wed, Aug 05, 2026, 4:51 PM UTC

lukan wrote: post #38

dtagames wrote: post #32

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Geographically, they're not. Ceuta occupies a tiny corner of Africa. None of these people reached peninsular Spain and they are not migrants fleeing into Europe to live there.

They migrated to a different, country, that is part of the EU. Once they are legal there, they can move to anywhere in europe without problems.

Crossing a breakwater and going home 30 minutes later does not make them legal EU immigrants. It was an overblown news story that only have been believed by someone who has never been to the region, like so much news today!

Re: A migrant surge tests Spain's open policies

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Post by dtagames » Wed, Aug 05, 2026, 4:54 PM UTC

hamper653 wrote: post #47

dtagames wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Geographically, they're not. Ceuta occupies a tiny corner of Africa. None of these people reached peninsular Spain and they are not migrants fleeing into Europe to live there.

Most of these people aren’t from Morocco, so they already were migrants before even making into Ceuta, which is Spain, hence yet another country.

Where did you hear that? Ceuta is entirely surrounded by Morocco and all of the people who moved into Spanish territory in Africa for 30 minutes did so by coming from Morocco. The confusion surrounding the geography there is... confusing!