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You are very picky.
I hope that was irony?
Yes.
A migrant surge tests Spain's open policies
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#52This whole concept of you having to accommodate people illegally entering, or in this case, storming your border is so alien to me. Once a force of 60k men violently break into your country your duty is to start shooting, instead they had Spanish citizens have to bar their house doors and windows with couches and tremble in fear. Completely insane.
We are not in the business of mass massacres.
Maybe the US should come and study how to deport 60k people in 24h whithout having to shoot anyone.
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Until it's proven they want to actually move there, they cannot be called migrants. In fact, 90% of them have gone back to Morocco, so not much permanence to speak of
Unless they were born in Morocco, they are migrants. And why else would they move into Ceuta like this?
A soccer match would be a good first guess for a large surging crowd.
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48000 out of 50000 in Ceuta's breach won't be migrating actually, since they've already returned voluntarily. Most either were agitators or have realised they weren't any better off on the other side.
Most have already migrated actually, unless you believe they were born in Morocco. And their intention was obviously to settle in Europe through Spain.
Stop sealioning, this is simply Morocco once again using its desperate young population as pawns in their underhanded "diplomacy".
Those people had no way to stay in Ceuta or travel onwards in any way, so this was just a deadly flashmob performance.
Of course the whole thing does double duty in arousing fascists and racists in Spain and the EU, for which the cui prodest list is quite ample.
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Most have already migrated actually, unless you believe they were born in Morocco. And their intention was obviously to settle in Europe through Spain.
Stop sealioning, this is simply Morocco once again using its desperate young population as pawns in their underhanded "diplomacy". Those people had no way to stay in Ceuta or travel onwards in any way, so this was just a deadly flashmob performance. Of course the whole thing does double duty in arousing fascists and racists in Spain and the EU, for which the cui prodest list is quite ample.
Oh so you actually believe these people were Moroccans?
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#59It's a coordinated hybrid warfare attack. Terrible title. Or are the "migrants" Belarus has been shipping to Poland also a "surge"?
Why the quotemarks around "migrants"? You think these people aren’t actually migrating from one country to another?
I don't know about Ceuta, but it is true Belarus has been "importing" people and forcing them to storm the Polish border, in huge numbers.
It is also true that many times the Polish state has behaved inhumanely towards these people. But for sure their presence on the forester Polish-Belarussian border was an engineered hybrid warfare act, not some act of collective desperation, and it continues to this day.
The poor people taking part are, I understand, often recruited in poor places and told they will be smuggled into Europe. Then they arrive in Belarus and get sandwiched between Belarusian police (KGB?) and the border, told the only way out of, effectively, Belarusian captivity, is into Poland, through the barbed wire and border patrol/army.
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If you watch the videos or interviews with the “migrants”, these are clearly just agitators and looters trying to have a good time by harassing the Spanish. None of them expect to suddenly become Spanish citizens. It’s like flash mobs or organized looting we see in the US organized by social media.
Are they, or are they not, foreign-born people crossing a border to settle on the other side?
They were there for the fun of looting and harassing the Spanish at the direction of their government, not to actually settle. I might call them agitators, raiders or invaders, not migrants.