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Re: No Data Centers in My Backyard

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ajkjk wrote: post #69
ajkjk wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other part is: if there really is so much money in these, it should be easy for the companies to produce an actually good deal. Everyone can tell (after all these experiences) what bullshit smells like, when the deals are full of tricks. Why try the tricks--property taxes that pay eventually, jobs that will show up eventually, promises that electric bills won't go up--when you could guarantee the results, and gua…

mostly unrelated but amusing: I keep getting fliers from Google fiber trying to get me to switch. Every one has this one bizarre line in it: "our customers have never had their rates go up!"---as if I am too stupid to realize that is not a promise. Now, I have no idea if that works on other people. Maybe enough other people are stupid and don't notice that that's not a promise that turns out to be good ad copy. But I…

You should switch to whatever is cheapest right now. If it gets more expensive, you should switch to whatever is cheapest right then. That's the market price signal that drives the good parts of capitalism.

Re: No Data Centers in My Backyard

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broken-kebab wrote: post #92
Planktonne wrote: post #10

The article is interesting, but I think it dances around what should be a central point, only approaching it obliquely. A lot of the opposition to data centers isn't about specific claimed benefits/drawbacks, but the fact that the people behind them are known to be bad actors. > My conversations make me wonder if the technical content of data center deals is mostly beside the point. Closed-loop cooling systems? “I do…

"We can't trust them" is the foundation of practically every conspiracy theory, though, from times immemorial. I remember people protesting against cell towers, and it was exactly what their arguments were built around: "We don't believe this thing won't fry our brains". It was the same before with electrical lines, and I guess steam power had its share too. Not telling a concerned citizen is obliged to trust everyon…

The difference being that AI companies are destroying all sorts of stuff, and cellphone companies didn't - they just provided cellphones.

Society did decay because of cellphones but it wasn't anything to do with the cellphone companies. The towers always were exactly what the cellphone companies said they were.

Re: No Data Centers in My Backyard

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Post by inigyou »

YackerLose wrote: post #58
Planktonne wrote: post #10

The article is interesting, but I think it dances around what should be a central point, only approaching it obliquely. A lot of the opposition to data centers isn't about specific claimed benefits/drawbacks, but the fact that the people behind them are known to be bad actors. > My conversations make me wonder if the technical content of data center deals is mostly beside the point. Closed-loop cooling systems? “I do…

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice -- can't get fooled again. - actual Dubya quote

An early form of anti-clipchimping. He would not say the words "shame on me".

Re: No Data Centers in My Backyard

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Post by inigyou »

ransom1538 wrote: post #28
comrade1234 wrote: post #11

I have a property in NW Wisconsin. It's incredibly poor there - it seems like most people working age are on disability - the new form of welfare. Money is earned mostly in summer and hunting seasons. It's pretty depressing. Lots of alcohol problems. I hired someone to clear some trees and make lumber out of them once and he showed up for the job three months later. At least he showed up though. Weirdest thing - he n…

Exactly. Let's leave data centers to other nations. Let them run the intelligence and manufacturing, lets focus on getting (more) disability.

What do you believe is the link between chatboxes and manufacturing?

Re: No Data Centers in My Backyard

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ungreased0675 wrote: post #79

A good portion of this movement is irrational and driven by viral media. Last week a coworker was talking about how unbearably loud data centers are. I asked them if our parking lot is loud. (There’s a decent sized server floor in our building and a bunch of cooling equipment in the parking lot.) They had never noticed the cooling system. On the other hand, my city gave the local data centers big tax breaks to come h…

You know as well as I do that your server room is not the same as the cut-all-corners AI DCs getting built right now.

Re: No Data Centers in My Backyard

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voidUpdate wrote: post #71

> "The EMF reader is shakier, going haywire under the crackling power lines, then settling down a few steps away" That kind of statement really bothers me. Is it measuring the magnetic fields or RF emissions? If it's RF, what frequency? If the EMF reader is picking up radio waves, I'm not exactly concerned. Visible light would be weird. X-rays would be very concerning. Is it just picking up the 50/60Hz power line? Th…

Yeah that conspiracist nonsense should be left out when there are enough real problems like noise and electricity bills.

Re: No Data Centers in My Backyard

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Post by inigyou »

inemesitaffia wrote: post #100
StilesCrisis wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here: https://www.reddit.com/r/oddlyterrifying/s/RAUfB2WAMD In this case it's a constant 60dB metallic whine. I would be livid if they built this near my home.

That's a small datacenter with a terrible exhaust fan.

Imagine how bad the big ones are then. They're not building them any less cheaply, you know.

Re: No Data Centers in My Backyard

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Post by inigyou »

mapontosevenths wrote: post #95
skywhopper wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the new ones often use dirty generators 24/7, and probably will for years. They are loud and toxic to the local community.

The answer to that is to outlaw running noisy generators. It probably already is. Most places already have noise pollution laws designed to harass teenagers with loud music. They should enforce them. Force them to either install mufflers and proper exhausts on their generators or build their own power infrastructure. They don't now because nobody makes them and it would cost money.

If you outlaw noisy generators the DC doesn't get built, so it's the same as just outlawing the DC.

Re: No Data Centers in My Backyard

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Post by inigyou »

dataengineer56 wrote: post #18
zkmon wrote: post #8

People in UK opposed train tracks in steam engine days, saying that the train engine sound scares their horses and cattle. Ofcourse data centers are far worse. But it is amusing to see how humanity continues to oppose tech and the tech buldozes anyway, like a evil monster.

>But it is amusing to see how humanity continues to oppose tech and the tech buldozes anyway, like a evil monster. So you're saying the UK should never have built a railway system? It sounds like tech is right.

The benefits of the railway system should've been distributed a hell of a lot more evenly and it should have been blocked until that happened, yes.

Re: No Data Centers in My Backyard

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

Planktonne wrote: post #10

The article is interesting, but I think it dances around what should be a central point, only approaching it obliquely. A lot of the opposition to data centers isn't about specific claimed benefits/drawbacks, but the fact that the people behind them are known to be bad actors. > My conversations make me wonder if the technical content of data center deals is mostly beside the point. Closed-loop cooling systems? “I do…

"A lot of opposition to data centers isn't about specific claimed benefits/drawbacks, but the fact that the people behind them are known to be bad actors."

HN commenters favouring data centers never seem to address this either. It appears they just don't get it

If someone does not like "AI" software nor the people behind it, then it makes little sense to argue about electricity, water, eminent domain, etc.

Big Tech founders have claimed that the public "trusts" them because the public uses ("chooses") their software. But does this amount to "real world" trust

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