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The Golden Age of British Ice Cream

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Re: The Golden Age of British Ice Cream

#51
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There's a great sequence in Bill Forsyth's "comfort and joy" where somebody records their ice cream van jingle on a kids toy xylophone and plays it through a handheld PA. Just the right degree of mind-numbing repetitiveness and decibel ear busting noise. It's fictionalised from very real British experiences with ice cream and fish and chips, working class communities, Italian family business, crime. And of course dee…

I wasn't allowed the soft-serve stuff (Mr Whippy). My mum didn't trust the machines not to be little food poisoning incubators.

(And it looks like she was right: https://researchportal.ukhsa.gov.uk/en/publications/the-micr...)

You know, this is probably why I never got slushies, either.

Re: The Golden Age of British Ice Cream

#52
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See, you dont like the word stupid, and I dont like the word strong/weak. It implies that people are not equal in their decision-making, which I strongly oppose. It also has a patronising touch to it, which I also oppose violently.

You may be weak in the face of marketing claims if you're exhausted, tired, distracted, or have insufficient understanding to question them. You fall back on a subconscious availability heuristic - "I'm always hearing about this thing, that has to be some kind of social proof that it's good". You have the strength to resist misleading marketing if you have sufficient resources, experience, learning, energy and/or spa…

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Re: The Golden Age of British Ice Cream

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Which Yeo Valley products have UPFs? Genuinely interested since that's not my experience. They do put cornflour in their fruit yogurts, but that seems less egregious than most. Their frozen kefir does contain stabilisers. You shouldn't dismiss Booja Booja. It's nut based and in my opinion excellent. A touch sweet, but a great mouthfeel - less cloying than dairy ice creams, but clearly creamy. The chocolate salted car…

>They do put cornflour in their fruit yogurts, but that seems less egregious than most. These are UPFs. The point of adding cornflour or starches is to make them thicker and more luxurious in terms of the way they feel in your mouth without straining them like greek yoghurt to reduce water i.e. they're able to do it with less milk protein and fats = it's cheaper. They do this because you need 3-4x as much raw ingredi…

Fruit yogurts are immediately group 3 even for one you'd make at home - a fruit compote is group 3. Since cornflour is group 2, it can form a component of a group 3 product. That is, cornflour is an acceptable additive in group 3 products.

Re: The Golden Age of British Ice Cream

#54
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There's been a real rennaisance of quality produce in the UK, including ice cream. There's some really good stuff to be bought, even in mainstream supermarkets.

> including ice cream. Name some brands please.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49179973

Re: The Golden Age of British Ice Cream

#55

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M r Whippy and 99s are still there (although called flake now) having had them on a few of the recent hot days

Also of note is that the "99 flake" ice cream features in the manifesto of Count Binface - he wants to reduce their price to 99p.

Continuing the political link forged by Margaret Thatcher, who worked on the emulsifiers used in Lyons Maid's Mister Softee soft serve product.

And that was very much not the golden age of British ice cream - the original UK soft serve, Walls' Mr Whippy, was a mix of lard, sugar, whey, emulsifiers, and artificial flavourings. Mister Softee used coconut fat & palm oil instead of lard, which proved to be more successful and modern Mr Whippy now has a similar recipe.

(There's an earlier American product also called Mister Softee, but I believe that was based on cream mixed with corn syrup so was quite different to the stuff from UK ice cream vans)

Re: The Golden Age of British Ice Cream

#56
post #32

The article refers to Magnum ice creams a lot, and makes it easy to infer that it is a British ice cream although it never actually says that. There's one clue in the article: > The Magnum debuted in Germany in 1989, and hit the UK the year after. Curiosity piqued, and one wikipedia article later [0], it turns out that it was originally a Danish invention developed in the late 1980s, first mass produced in Autumn 198…

A magnum is basically a choc ice on a stick. Choc ices go back to the 1920s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choc_ice

Re: The Golden Age of British Ice Cream

#57
post #44

I’m not sure this is the story of “British” ice-cream. Unilever is a multinational company headquartered in London. But with their “Heartbrand” strategy they acquired local ice-cream brands and manufacturers and sell the same product line globally. So this story was the same in other countries as well. Cornetto was invented by an Italian company acquired later by Unilever and Magnum was from the Danish version. Curre…

It is the story of ice cream popular in Britain.

Re: The Golden Age of British Ice Cream

#58
post #13

Those mass market ice cream are so tasteless and disgusting honestly. Do British even have any taste? As a French person it always astounds me what Britons can eat and proclaim they like it.

The brand of ice cream I associate the most with being tasteless and cheap is Carte D’Or so I’m not sure this is the burn you think it is

Re: The Golden Age of British Ice Cream

#59
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"Today’s essay by Ruby Tandoh..." I'll take any excuse to recommend Ruby's essay on British Cheese, "How a cheese goes extinct: https://www.newyorker.com/culture/annals-of-gastronomy/how-a... > When you talk with cheese aficionados, it doesn’t usually take long for the conversation to veer this way: away from curds, whey, and mold, and toward matters of life and death. With the zeal of nineteenth-century naturalists,…

Ruby first became known to me as a vegan contestant on the BBC Great British Bake Off. I think she is fab, however...

(I write this for the American reader.)

The essay didn't mention the lore regarding Margaret Thatcher in her food scientist years, allegedly being responsible for 'soft serve' ice cream in the UK.

Thatcher became known as the milk snatcher for cutting free school milk, however, by working out how to get more air in ice cream, she had arguably been a milk snatcher before entering politics.

Regarding Walls, their factory is on a prominent road in Gloucester, or it used to be, in the heyday.

The lore, in these pre-internet times, was that they cut the fat from the pigs in the bacon factory and that became the mystery 'animal fats' in the ice cream product. Allegedly they only moved to cheaper vegetable fats later, when they could get a better price for the excess 'bacon' fat.

Because the factory presented itself as being 50% bacon and 50% ice cream, this was an easy story to believe by many a child, so the myth perpetuated itself, because it made perfect sense as a conspiracy story. Everything was explained.

This was at a time when cows were no better. The countryside frequently had upturned cows on fire due to either foot and mouth or BSE. At the time there was no knowing if BSE led to CJD - death by prions.

As a consequence, you would be doomed whether those 'animal fats' on the label of your typical Walls ice cream came from milk or porcine sources. They could have said 'milk' instead of 'animal fats'.

Ruby also mentions clotted cheese. That came to Cornwall with the tin trade, three thousand years ago. The Phoenicians brought the recipe and it enabled year round tin mining, with the chalk highlands providing grassland for grazing (rather than fearsome swamps, forest and rocks, not suited for keeping cows). They got their copper from Afghanistan, to make bronze in the Levant.

The name (Great) Britain means 'land of tin'. Who knew.

All these odd history facts are explained in considerable depth in the applications for regionally protected foods, and any visitor to the UK is advised to look for such foods, for example, the Cornish Pastry has to have good ingredients in it, and be from Cornwall, so they are not 'processed food', even if bought from a motorway service station or convenience store.

It is the same with CORNISH clotted cream, it isn't going to be like an adulterated Walls product, full of mystery 'animal fat' or, nowadays, mystery 'vegetable fat'.

I also felt that Ruby is too young to tell the story. As a child, at the time, there were other aspects of the story such as the joke (or riddle) on the stick. This was standard at the start of the era, and an ice cream without a joke on a stick was like getting a Christmas cracker that doesn't go bang. However, by the time the adult products come along (Magnum), the joke on a stick tradition has been banished. Why?

Walls had a local rival that they never put out of business. Winstones made a better product and they had a factory shop in the middle of a common full of cows. Their model was the classic dozens of flavours, where you have n+1 scoops of whatever you want, made up for you in a cone, with the middle class, car owning customer expected to buy some 5 litre tubs of their favourite flavours.

Winstones customers could tell themselves the product used real milk. Typically they had those vast chest freezers at home, this being peak boomer consumer lifestyle. Winstones did have distribution in local supermarkets, and, although Walls dominated, for those in the know, there were the equivalents of Winstones, with a better product.

Ruby also forgot to mention 'Ice Magic'. This was the chocolate syrup that formed a hard shell on ice cream, as served from the tub. There must have been an issue with food safety and Ice Magic as they had to drop the product, to reintroduce it without it forming the hard shell.

The moral panic of the time was food additives and no food was more brightly coloured than ice cream. In one ice cream a child could be exposed to every food colouring that has subsequently been banned, which never harmed anyone, however, today's product just lacks the full spectrum of very bright colours that were possible during the good old days.

Packaging was also a key area of innovation, which was solved by Walls with the Cornetto coming in a new form factor, with ritual involved in opening it. Mylar film was not available at the time, again, Walls innovated with this for Magnum. Beforehand it was always 'waxed' paper that might need to be blown into, to separate it from the ice cream.

In period, Walls was for common people in housing estates whereas middle class people had either posh Winstones (or equivalent) or huge tubs of supermarket ice cream, in the chest freezer. The ice cream van was for the housing estate, not the village in the shire, so there was this aspect of class going on. Cornetto was an affordable treat to all, far from gentrified.

People in housing estates were not two-car families, whereas, in the middle class shires, they were. The middle class people, buying in bulk, with the car and the big chest freezer, paid a fraction of the price 'per serving' of the kid in the council estate, who would be handing over coins on a daily basis.

Nowadays everyone is eating posh ice cream with 'luxury' titles. Vanilla is no longer vanilla, it has to be 'organic Madagascar vanilla drenched with slow pulled Etruscan caramel with Pink Tibetan Monkey Salt flavoured ice cream'.

OG vanilla is a low-status product, no longer considered edible. We need the fancy labels because it is all about conspicuous consumption rather than basic pleasure. We need fancy labels, high prices and faux myths ('Italian') to tell us something is delicious, and that we are not eating kid's stuff.

Final snippet of lore, the Walls catch phrase was 'Stop me and buy one!', and, although they stopped using this on their vans, the phrase lived on in the toilets of public houses in the form of 'Buy me and stop one!', common graffiti on the condom machines that were quite common in pub toilets, in those days, when people didn't nonchalantly put boxes of condoms in their regular shopping 'with no cringe factor'.

Re: The Golden Age of British Ice Cream

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An excellent article which I disagree with on only one point: the Magnum wasn’t really invented in 1990; the brand name might have been, but I was eating substantial, stick-mounted “Choc Ices” thoughout the late 80s. I don’t want to deny Walls the credit for taking it global though: In the early 2000’s I met a very interesting and clever chap, with a PhD in material sciences who worked for Walls in Bangkok, whose job…

I was curious about this so looked into it (chatted to Claude). It seems like the issue is around high volume production of an ice-cream on a stick coated in thick chocolate like stuff. That's where the invention comes into it.
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