Ice cream is the one food we haven’t destroyed in America. In the rural areas around me I can go to a handful of farms and get the ice cream that’s made right there and find them in the local grocery stores too. It’s depressing how great the icecream is when the rest of the food supply has taken a sharp dive the other direction.
The Golden Age of British Ice Cream
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Re: The Golden Age of British Ice Cream
#32The article refers to Magnum ice creams a lot, and makes it easy to infer that it is a British ice cream although it never actually says that. There's one clue in the article:
> The Magnum debuted in Germany in 1989, and hit the UK the year after.
Curiosity piqued, and one wikipedia article later [0], it turns out that it was originally a Danish invention developed in the late 1980s, first mass produced in Autumn 1988. It also mentions a Belgian needing to develop the needed chocolate in 1987.
Of all places I would not have guessed Aarhus was the home to Magnum, and it's celebrated with a gym called Friskohus (Frisko is the Danish Unilever sub-brand) on the site today.
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#33> At the end of the day, a Magnum is a choc ice This feels like slander! No matter how true it is. It's hard to describe just how much better the ice-cream in a magnum was than the competing products of the time.
Every word in that last sentence is true. Especially the word "was". Shrinkflation has taken a particular toll on the thick mantle, and Magnums now are basically the choc ices they once beat out. Though with optional nuts and berries.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's been a real rennaisance of quality produce in the UK, including ice cream. There's some really good stuff to be bought, even in mainstream supermarkets.
They're all still shoving tons of emulsifiers and stabilisers and coconut and palm oil and xantham and locust bean gum and stuff in though. It's almost impossible to find ice cream without these. For e.g.: "100% All Natural Ingredients" still has locust bean gum: https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/groceries/product/remeo-n-4-pis... Jude's Vanilla Ice Cream: https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/groceries/product/jude-s-vanill... Lo…
It isn't, you just have to look. Most of the organic ice creams are fairly clean - Yeo Valley, Duchy. Similarly the organic vegan ice creams from Booja Booja. Some small producers are good - Alder Tree in Suffolk typically have 3 ingredients (cream, sugar, fruit) and are delicious. Saffron (around Saffron Walden) are great too.
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
They're all still shoving tons of emulsifiers and stabilisers and coconut and palm oil and xantham and locust bean gum and stuff in though. It's almost impossible to find ice cream without these. For e.g.: "100% All Natural Ingredients" still has locust bean gum: https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/groceries/product/remeo-n-4-pis... Jude's Vanilla Ice Cream: https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/groceries/product/jude-s-vanill... Lo…
Just for my understanding, what is the issue with xanthan gum and locust bean gum? You need thickeners, stabilizers, and emulsifiers if you want high quality ice cream and that applies to both industrial as well as artisanal. Xanthan or Agar Agar are commonly used even in household gelato (think a 1kg ice cream machine or something like a Ninja Creami - which is one of my own ever favorite and most recommended applia…
They're basically used as you say to replace things like eggs and milk. The whole point of that from the industrial perspective is to save on cost, they weren't removed on health grounds. It was pointed out in a BBC documentary recently that most supermarket ice cream is now so shelf stable that if it wasn't for rats and mice which love the sugar, it wouldn't need to be kept frozen at all during transport because of all the emulsifiers.
In any case, the whole distinction around UPF vs non-UPF is the addition of ingredients that would not form part of a human diet typically. The thread above me was basically saying all ice creams are full of UPF ingredients and then someone's counterpoint was that there's plenty of good choice of non-UPFs. My point was that even things that "look" non-UPF often are. Whether UPFs are good or bad is up for debate and discussion although countries that consume a lot of them generally have much worse health outcomes.
Re: The Golden Age of British Ice Cream
#36There's a great sequence in Bill Forsyth's "comfort and joy" where somebody records their ice cream van jingle on a kids toy xylophone and plays it through a handheld PA. Just the right degree of mind-numbing repetitiveness and decibel ear busting noise. It's fictionalised from very real British experiences with ice cream and fish and chips, working class communities, Italian family business, crime. And of course dee…
M r Whippy and 99s are still there (although called flake now) having had them on a few of the recent hot days
Also of note is that the "99 flake" ice cream features in the manifesto of Count Binface - he wants to reduce their price to 99p.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would urge you to refrain from using the word stupid. All humans are not born equal, many are born with poor critical thinking which is not helped by regimented schooling and the isolated nuclear family pattern. It’s for the strong to protect the weak, but instead modern consumer capitalism is built on the strong exploiting the weak.
See, you dont like the word stupid, and I dont like the word strong/weak. It implies that people are not equal in their decision-making, which I strongly oppose. It also has a patronising touch to it, which I also oppose violently.
You are being idealistic and not basing your reasoning on science.
All people are not born with equally capable brains.
That’s just a fact.
People are not equal in their decision making.
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#38For anyone not from Britain, majority of parents, taken in by advertising, feed kids highly processed ice cream sold at low prices, no different to most other countries. Ingredients are terrible for all the brands mentioned. And British children have high obesity rates and dental issues. The golden age was pre-big food when ice cream was made naturally. The celebration of targeted product design, branding and adverti…
There's been a real rennaisance of quality produce in the UK, including ice cream. There's some really good stuff to be bought, even in mainstream supermarkets.
> including ice cream.
Name some brands please.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
They're all still shoving tons of emulsifiers and stabilisers and coconut and palm oil and xantham and locust bean gum and stuff in though. It's almost impossible to find ice cream without these. For e.g.: "100% All Natural Ingredients" still has locust bean gum: https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/groceries/product/remeo-n-4-pis... Jude's Vanilla Ice Cream: https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/groceries/product/jude-s-vanill... Lo…
It isn't, you just have to look. Most of the organic ice creams are fairly clean - Yeo Valley, Duchy. Similarly the organic vegan ice creams from Booja Booja. Some small producers are good - Alder Tree in Suffolk typically have 3 ingredients (cream, sugar, fruit) and are delicious. Saffron (around Saffron Walden) are great too.
It's interesting you note Yeo Valley because I've found their products very mixed - lots of them do have UPFs. It's interesting that their ice cream doesn't.
There's no Waitrose within 50 miles of me (East Midlands) so Duchy not available. Booja Booja is all dairy free so I wouldn't really consider it ice cream. But in any case it all has coconut oil in it.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
See, you dont like the word stupid, and I dont like the word strong/weak. It implies that people are not equal in their decision-making, which I strongly oppose. It also has a patronising touch to it, which I also oppose violently.
You are being idealistic and not basing your reasoning on science. All people are not born with equally capable brains. That’s just a fact. People are not equal in their decision making.
> All people are not born with equally capable brains
You can't write this and then object to someone also shortening this to "stupid".