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Xbox goes down. You can't play games you own on disc

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Re: Xbox goes down. You can't play games you own on disc

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> An Xbox owner who did the right thing by buying physical copies That's not the right thing. According to Stallman, that's the opposite of the right thing.

To be fair, I don't think Stallman is against buying or selling software, I think he just feels that the source code should be provided with it (and that you can share it afterwards...)

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Re: Xbox goes down. You can't play games you own on disc

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The absurdity is that back in gen-7 we had everything figured out: PS3 used the (free) servers only for matchmaking and all online games were hosted on the consoles themselves. The matchmaking servers are still up and working, and everybody plays with better latency thanks to the prominence of fast fiber. No internet? Games work offline and support LAN if you have a switch and a couple of consoles. In 2026 I can stil…

> all online games were hosted on the consoles themselves.

FWIW this had its own share of problems, most common being host migration (when the host leaves) and less often, although a bigger problem, is your IP address being given to all players and malicious actors DDOSing the host to make a match unplayable.

Re: Xbox goes down. You can't play games you own on disc

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I suppose the argument is in reverse. They are so ubiquitous, they don’t really have to be good anymore to capture the market.

And they got that position of dominance more via shady deals and sketchy practices than by producing excellent software. Microsoft has done some good engineering, but that's not what made them what they are.

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Re: Xbox goes down. You can't play games you own on disc

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I guess it’s surprising because how ubiquitous their products are. You’d expect them to be of better quality considering everyone is using MS software one way or another.

>considering everyone is using MS software one way or another. I don't think I've used a MS product in at least a decade. At least that I was aware of. Edit: did some research and I have used LinkedIn. Other than that, nothing.

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Re: Xbox goes down. You can't play games you own on disc

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Haha say you want to play co-op with your buddy or girlfriend or something and you just shelled out 59.99 or whatever for the latest microslop product.. You just connect a controller right? Nah, on ps5, you need to setup a whole ass sony account, and then login to it, and then you need a new microsoft account to link that sony account to, and then maybe, you might be able to play couch co-op.

Even local Halo or CoD on the 360 was confusing. Same thing but the accounts were local and weirdly tied to the controller (or something, idk). PS3 was plug n play though.

Re: Xbox goes down. You can't play games you own on disc

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> "But owning a game on a disc today isn't really the same thing. It's still just a license..." Here's the crux of the problem in their own sentence and they don't even realize it. Owning and Licensing are not the same thing. If I own something, I own it outright. If I license something, I am leasing it. It does get fuzzy with media, I will admit. But we need the same protections as physical books and game cartidges.…

> Require stores and publishers to use language that reflects the nature of the transaction.

After this law is made and they change the word without changing anything else, that won't save the past. They'll probably even market test some nonsense word that won't even make people feel like they're being ripped off.

Re: Xbox goes down. You can't play games you own on disc

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I wanted to show my gf the halo 1 campaign, so I downloaded the 30GB Masterchief Collection via steam. When I launched it, I was greeted with a black box. After 1 Minute it was a microsoft login screen that looked eerily like a browser inside the game. Since I couldn't do anything else, the game was stuck at a sub 720p resolution. I said fine Ill just create an account. Yea so mail, firstname, lastname, birthday, cou…

This is my experience with all Microsoft software. The worst thought out, buggy, untested pile of crap. There's something seriously wrong in Redmond. At least with linux, you can search on the web and find a forum post telling you the magic incantation. With Microsoft, you will be forced to consume some second-rate engineer's unmanaged, barely workable, edge case until it might or might not work. Office on the web is…

Yep. I think Microsoft is planning to make all their money from AI; because all their other stuff is becoming wildly enshitified and I take every opportunity that I can to look for a replacement.

Re: Xbox goes down. You can't play games you own on disc

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Microsoft in the 90s was doing things that hadn't been done before with Windows. And the NT line, converging to consumers at XP, solved many of them, and by now they don't have an excuse any more.

I’m genuinely confused about exactly what Microsoft was doing for the first time. Not the first gui. Not the first web browser. Not the first spreadsheet/word processor/slideshow. Edit: I’ll give credit, NT is good kernel, and had some novel qualities.

I would argue that the initial development of windows 95 incorporated one of the most extensively researched and evidence-based UI designs ever, before or after. Far from perfect, but nearly everything about the UI was examined in context of the user experience. Arguably better than Macs ever were... less revolutionary, but more solid.

It's a far cry from the current chaotic chimera of elements and themes that make up windows 11.

Re: Xbox goes down. You can't play games you own on disc

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Why don't you literally just pirate it. You already own it, so it's not even immoral.

Can't play multiplayer with friends... I think but I'm not sure. It seems to rely on Steam or Microsoft services for regular and modded play.

Nonsense. We used to have LAN parties by passing around a flash drive. Clearly the original game did not require an account.

Re: Xbox goes down. You can't play games you own on disc

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The fight should never have been about physical vs digital, but about ownership. If I buy a game/movie/book/song, regardless of where or in what format, I should be able to: 1. Keep it forever without the risk of remote deletion. 2. Use it while offline, unless internet connectivity is strictly required for the experience. 3. Move it between my devices. 4. Backup and archive it. 5. Resell it. 6. Pass it on to my chil…

Nintendo Gamekeys check all of these boxes save one. Namely 1,2,3,5 and 6. 1. Keep it forever without the risk of remote deletion. 2. Use it while offline, unless internet connectivity is strictly required for the experience. 3. Move it between my devices. 5. Resell it. 6. Pass it on to my children. No backup and archive is the exception. I can live with that. We'll see if Sony and Microsoft follow Nintendo or not.

It's a decent compromise, but it does still rely on Nintendo holding up their end, including providing the game files for download.
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