So one of the public-private backdoors to erode citizen's rights is being undermined. Such a shame.
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All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen
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Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen
#62Curious about the official YCombinator stance on this extremely unpopular YCombinator-backed startup (unpopular here at HN anyway).
if you want to tackle the POV of the true believers at Y Combinator*: look, flock can't be that effective if all it takes is a guy with a ladder to defeat it, right? same thing with pervasive facial detection, you can wear a mask. you don't have to go into all this philosophical stuff to see how the promises will not be fulfilled.
*Garry Tan has been characterized as a True Believer, in that he sincerely believes Flock's vision will reduce crime and not be misused. on the flip side they don't invest in Palantir, Anduril, Applied Intuition, etc. or other defense stuff. so it's very exceptional for them.
Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
Flock data can be accessed by cops nationwide who have different (or no) restrictions on data retention or privacy compared to local police.
Flock data can be accessed by anyone. Literally. anyone. at anytime. Go see for yourselves. https://measuredcollective.com/flocks-ai-surveillance-camera...
That's a bit misleading given that it's a subset. 404media cites "at least 60".
Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen
#64Maybe I'm overly confident in Flock's ability to triangulate, but wouldn't government agencies be able to know exactly who is cutting down Flock cameras? Isn't that the entire purpose of these things?
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
Flock data can be accessed by cops nationwide who have different (or no) restrictions on data retention or privacy compared to local police.
Flock data can be accessed by anyone. Literally. anyone. at anytime. Go see for yourselves. https://measuredcollective.com/flocks-ai-surveillance-camera...
I think you are overselling it a bit. 60-some cameras were misconfigured for a relatively short period of time.
Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen
#66Gotta vote out those who voted this in.
Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen
#67> Police use the technology to investigate crimes such as hit-and-runs and to locate missing persons. > No suspects have been identified. Yeah, that tracks. > Camera data is owned by the police department and permanently deleted after 30 days. I assume this means that the police department deletes one local copy?
> Camera data is owned by the police department and permanently deleted after 30 days There's so much going on in that sentence! What a thing of pure PR beauty. What does "owned" mean in this sentence? Probably fairly little. What data does it even refer to? Just the actual video footage? Does the statement include derived data like license plate reads or ML models? And surely if data is flagged as relevant to an inv…
You know, unless they get a national security letter, or change their TOS, or....
Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen
#68...total loss at roughly $24,000. That cost falls directly on the Winona Police Department’s budget.
I thought flocked owned the hardware?
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#69> Each camera is valued at approximately $3,000, putting the total loss at roughly $24,000. That cost falls directly on the Winona Police Department’s budget. Only if they replace them...
If you own a $20,000 car and I steal it, is your loss not $20k? (excluding depreciation etc)
They do not own them.
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Your comment is disgusting and goes against the spirit of freedom this country is supposed to be the embodiment of.
This ship has sailed a long time ago. If anything it's internal national propaganda. USA is known worldwide for corruption, wars, and increasingly for how bad it's own population lives while being so rich.