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All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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It's private property owned by a corporate surveillance state startup, Flock Group|Safety, typically (but not always) colocated on public property without the consent of local citizens. Various government entities are simply consumers of their data platform. Facts matter.

Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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> Police use the technology to investigate crimes such as hit-and-runs and to locate missing persons. > No suspects have been identified. Yeah, that tracks. > Camera data is owned by the police department and permanently deleted after 30 days. I assume this means that the police department deletes one local copy?

Flock data can be accessed by cops nationwide who have different (or no) restrictions on data retention or privacy compared to local police.

Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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post #6

What alerts are they getting so often anyway? It's a little town of 25k people. I can understand the benefit of being able to track coming and going and criminal activity etc but there is no oversight and it is already being abused. Keeping this data within the municipality and requiring bureaucracy to coordinate with others might be the best solution I've heard, since it prevents dragnets and builds in auditing as p…

Small towns don't want people spying on them. Small towns also are prime targets for pushing over with your federal approvals to force them into giving you their tax money in the name of "safety". Someone got paid.

Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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post #32

> Police use the technology to investigate crimes such as hit-and-runs and to locate missing persons. > No suspects have been identified. Yeah, that tracks. > Camera data is owned by the police department and permanently deleted after 30 days. I assume this means that the police department deletes one local copy?

Flock data can be accessed by cops nationwide who have different (or no) restrictions on data retention or privacy compared to local police.

Flock data can be accessed by anyone. Literally. anyone. at anytime. Go see for yourselves.

https://measuredcollective.com/flocks-ai-surveillance-camera...

Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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it is bad to see theft of physical property as a good thing

It wasn't private property. It belonged to the people and the people decided they didn't want it. It's bad to see people being forced to break the law to retain their freedom, but it's a good thing that folks are still willing to fight for it.

Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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Seems these days the only cross-partisan agreement is resistance to Flock and Axon.

People don't want Big Brother. Politicians unironically trying to positively refer to them as an enhanced Big Brother is completely tone deaf.

And we know that police departments were working with ICE during Metro Surge:

> But the Star Tribune found law enforcement agencies around the country searched several Twin Cities suburbs’ camera data and labeled their queries as civil immigration enforcement — a mechanism used to detain those in the country illegally who have not committed other crimes. A vast majority of the searches were run on Fridley’s Flock Safety cameras as it had looser restrictions on its data than other agencies.

https://www.startribune.com/twin-cities-suburbs-license-plat...

This dozen even get into the dozens of documented instances of officers using the system to stalk people... couple that with Stingray devices. It's not hyperbole to say we're existing under the thumb of Big Brother.

Resistance to or acceptance of Flock/Axon is going to be a big tipping point in an already over-surveilled country.

Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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post #6

What alerts are they getting so often anyway? It's a little town of 25k people. I can understand the benefit of being able to track coming and going and criminal activity etc but there is no oversight and it is already being abused. Keeping this data within the municipality and requiring bureaucracy to coordinate with others might be the best solution I've heard, since it prevents dragnets and builds in auditing as p…

One can easily research if curious and/or interested with a $5 FOIA request using Muckrock if interested. FOIA request templates are available. I see no existing FOIA requests for this jurisdiction within scope of Flock as of this comment.

https://deflock.org/foia

https://www.muckrock.com/search/?q=Winona+Flock

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