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Germany Records Historic 12B KWh Solar Feed-In in July 2026

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Vienna, Austria, checking in .. I'm Australian, been here for decades, this is definitely the warmest I've experienced it. I love it though, feels like home. ;)

Warmest anybody in Vienna has experienced, haha. Today the all-time record in Austria was broken with 40.8°C (105.4°F) in Vienna. > https://www.krone.at/4242196

Thank the wisdom of the forefathers for getting the Donau under control and giving us Wieners a great place to sit out the heat.

Re: Germany Records Historic 12B KWh Solar Feed-In in July 2026

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Germany has still one of the highest electricity and energy prices among developed nations which tremendously hurts its industrial base. That has to change too unless this cannot really be called a success I think.

For that to change they need to not depend on expensive power plants (such as coal, gas, etc.), the bidding process for the electricity market in the EU will price the 15-minute window kWh price to the most expensive source providing power to the electricity zone being supplied.

Unless there's a revolution in this pricing mechanism the only way for Germany to lower its electricity prices is through renewables build out to push away the more expensive sources.

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> Germany's electrical prices are mostly in line with it's neighbours PL: ~21ct/kWh LX: ~20ct/kWh AT: ~19ct/kWh NL: ~19ct/kWh BE: ~17ct/kWh FR: ~16ct/kWh DK: ~9ct/kWh Germany: 23ct/kWh (or: about 25% higher than the EU average)[0] Of course Germany "is mostly in line" if your ideology depends on it. [0] https://cubeconcepts.de/en/europes-industrial-electricity-pr...

For reference, that's about 4x the worldwide average electricity price.

Exactly. I'm starting to wonder how much higher our neighbors' prices are thanks to our excessive excess-energy emergency-dumping during green-energy peaks. How much of that "EU average" is "Germany as a cost externality for its neighbouring energy grids"?

Re: Germany Records Historic 12B KWh Solar Feed-In in July 2026

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Glass half full, I suppose. Germany is in the grip of an unusual and prolonged drought -- clear skies, intense daytime heat, no rain. > https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c78gn8zvrx4o I'm near Graz, in Austria, where we're also in the middle of a drought and in truth I can't remember a summer as hot as this one...

I think the biggest impact for Germany is gonna be economical from shipping. Much of Germany's industry is along the Rhine and they get their raw materials via barge on the Rhine. The Rhine is already close to all time low which reduces capacity and increases cost. Usually low water happens between August and November. It was already close to record low in July! I wouldn't be surprised if shipping will have to stop e…

Yes, although it's nowhere near as bad as the Danube, whose level sits at currently -93cm [0] - a record low which meant the nation's nuclear reactors had to be scaled back to just a single turbine and was only a few centimeters away from having to completely shut down as the intakes for the cooling pump sit at a certain level - this water level was apparently mentioned as a 1 per 100.000 year event in the risk management.

[0]: https://www.vizugy.hu/?mapModule=OpGrafikon&AllomasVOA=16496...

Re: Germany Records Historic 12B KWh Solar Feed-In in July 2026

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> The further we go down the renewables route the less we depend on despotic states for our energy. 80% of solar panels/batteries/windmills are made in China. We wouldn't even be able to make them without fossil fuels in the first place. Not even talking about the electronics that is needed

German wind turbines largely don't come from China, but even if they did, the difference is that if China stopped selling us solar panels, batteries and wind turbines, the existing infrastructure would continue to function for decades to come while we work out a domestic replacement supply chain. This is in stark contrast to fossil fuels, where it's infeasible to stockpile more than a few months of usage, and if supp…

The rare earths do come from China and that's where most of the environmental damage they cause happens. Rare earths can be mined almost anywhere. They aren't rare but they also aren't concentrated because they aren't water soluble. They are mined in places that don't care about environmental damage, not in places where specific geologic conditions exist (like everything else except AL). Also, you need them to make generators. When you put those generators in wind instead of in hydro or nuclear, you waste them. This is because they will generate 6 to 9 times as much power in hydro or nuclear plants as in a wind turbine.

Re: Germany Records Historic 12B KWh Solar Feed-In in July 2026

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I was just pointing out that the claim that it has abnormally high energy prices among developed nations isn't quite true. I do agree though, that even just having 'normal' energy prices for a developed nation makes it very hard to be an industrial powerhouse. IMO the only way forward is for Germany to build more energy infrastructure. Most importantly, we need more solar wind and batteries, but we also need upgrades…

How is closing your nuclear plants working out for you? Germany burns the lowest grade coal known to man to make up for the loss of its nuclear fleet. Germany has one of the dirtiest grids in the world and the dirtiest grid in the developed world. And for reference, a single NPP makes roughly 600 GW hours of power a month. Germany closed down about 15 NPPs which would make several times as much power as the solar PV…

15 * 600 GWh It'd be even worse if the nukes would be shut down due to lack of cooling water.

Re: Germany Records Historic 12B KWh Solar Feed-In in July 2026

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The problem with electricity for industrial use is, that you also need electricity during long, dark, cloudy winters, when there is very little solar power available. Somehow all the "green" supporters are all afraid of nuclear powerplants for some reason and instead prefer coal, even though there's more radioactive crap going into the air from that than from nuclear plants.

Hungary just instituted quite extreme power savings policies (including stopping all industrial train traffic during the day), because it can't cool its nuclear power plant due to a lack of water in the Danube and 40% of its electricity production went bye bye. Same situation in Romania and France had similar problems a few years ago and will likely have them again this year. "Green" supporters prefer renewable energ…

There is nothing resilient about renewables. Ask Spain about that. They aren't disrupted by one shock event but instead they are disrupted almost daily (and I'm not talking about nighttime). Also, Europe is too far north for Solar PV to make any sense at most of the places that people actually live...like Germany.

Re: Germany Records Historic 12B KWh Solar Feed-In in July 2026

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Vienna, Austria, checking in .. I'm Australian, been here for decades, this is definitely the warmest I've experienced it. I love it though, feels like home. ;)

Warmest anybody in Vienna has experienced, haha. Today the all-time record in Austria was broken with 40.8°C (105.4°F) in Vienna. > https://www.krone.at/4242196

I can't find it just now but I'm sure I read that record was broken later today with 41.3C.

Re: Germany Records Historic 12B KWh Solar Feed-In in July 2026

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I see only basis (without any kWh consumed) costs: > Grundpreis: 15,54 € / Monat

There is cash back. When I bought my contract, I got 250€ + 90€ cash back in total after paying the first invoice.

Ah, that's great! I remember, conditions somewhere were you receive the "treue" bonus after the first year for a 2 year contract.

I'm watching how with more sun, oeko-energy price keeps growing (despite every summer before it was cheaper):

https://www.naturstrom.de/privatkunden/oekostrom/naturstrom-...

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> Energiepreise der letzten 12 Monate

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