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Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by inigyou »

onion2k wrote: post #75
kubb wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They spend a lot of the investors’ money on that. All the videos they put out are extremely high quality. They literally have communication experts sitting there, breaking their heads over how to influence the public opinion in the company’s favor. I guess they learned it from Elon: if people like you, they’ll just hold your stock forever, even if you don’t make much money.

Every company does that. It's literally a whole industry: Public Relations

Formerly known as the propaganda department. I'm not kidding, that is what these departments used to be called.

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by Brian_K_White »

fingerlocks wrote: post #117
jzl wrote: post #14

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I've heard multiple times directly from Apple employees that there is no way to login to iCloud on your work machine using a company-controlled account. Many people create new Apple ID's which they only use while working there, but others just use their personal iCloud accounts. You are, of course, not supposed to store company data in iCloud. But thanks to Apple's own efforts, it's difficult to use a Mac without bei…

You can log into your personal account and have iCloud file sync disabled. I mean what does that prevent that you couldnt do by some other means? I could also just use a browser to drag and drop anything to my personal google drive. Or use a usb stick. I don’t understand people that create separate Apple accounts for work. I’ve always used my personal account on corp laptops, including MFAANG. It’s awesome being able…

This is simply bad hygene. It's such a basic thing that I can't even figure out how to back up far enough to start to explain why one should keep work and personal life seperate. I guess if I'd ever had kids I would have had to figure this out when they were like 5 or 6, and then I'd know how to explain what should be explained to every 5 or 6 year old.

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Post by apimade »

Data theft (i.e. taking corporate IP) was normalised until very recently (I'd say the last 2-3 years with the rise of the adoption of DLP and public litigation). A few examples I can think of thing I've heard _just_ in my own career; terabytes of client data taken by a former consultant, sales reps that joined _solely for the purpose_ of taking this quarter's leads and then ghosting the company, execs forcing the use of their buddy's startup/consultant/vendor (and then they later join the startup/consultancy/vendor). The latter being _the most common_. If you're a large company, your sales pipeline is so valuable to startups -- and from a single consultant perspective the ROI of ripping off your sales data is _insane_.

I think back to the questionable things _I've_ done that _don't_ amount to data theft, but _should have_ caused someone to probably kick off an incident/investigation.. But they didn't.

- git cloning every repository in the company (who am I kidding, I do this in _every_ company

- airdropping stuff to my personal phone (my profile photo, but it could have been the aforementioned git repos)

- using sharedrop/similar services (to copy my RSS/news feeds, favourites bars) from my work laptop

- enumerated staff/ops dashboards/tooling to get shit done (think: enumerating the CRM before Lazarus and Lap$u$ made it cool)

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

trollbridge wrote: post #115
jzl wrote: post #14

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I've heard multiple times directly from Apple employees that there is no way to login to iCloud on your work machine using a company-controlled account. Many people create new Apple ID's which they only use while working there, but others just use their personal iCloud accounts. You are, of course, not supposed to store company data in iCloud. But thanks to Apple's own efforts, it's difficult to use a Mac without bei…

Yes, that's correct - an Apple account is tied to a person. A person can have multiple Apple accounts, if they wish. But there is no such thing as an organizationally controlled Apple account.

>A person can have multiple Apple accounts, if they wish.

I don't know if it's in the terms but Apple definitely discourages this. In particular it won't let you setup a new account on the same phone number as an existing account.

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by Traster »

simondotau wrote: post #91
bulder wrote: post #12

Corporate posting in the weeks immediately surrounding a legal case or ruling impacting tech companies is definitely my favorite brand of written text. Despite not paying full attention to EU legislation, I get reliably notified by Google about every tiny bit of antitrust from them posting a "Google brings millions into the EU's [field they are getting hit with antitrust in] ecosystem" vagueblog about it.

OpenAI knows that the court of public opinion is more dangerous than a fine from a real court.

That is absolutely not true in this case. If what Apple alleges is true, the closest example we can look to is Waymo vs Uber. Where Uber ended up settling, they paid Google a quarter of a billion in stock, agreed not to use the IP they had stolen and fired the engineer involved. This could very easily just kill OpenAI's hardware product, they might literally not be able to release what they've built. At that point they have to decide whether they start again from scratch, with monitoring to ensure they aren't using any of the IP or they just give up on this expensive distraction from their core business in the run up to an IPO.

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

prmoustache wrote: post #21
jzl wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've heard multiple times directly from Apple employees that there is no way to login to iCloud on your work machine using a company-controlled account. Many people create new Apple ID's which they only use while working there, but others just use their personal iCloud accounts. You are, of course, not supposed to store company data in iCloud. But thanks to Apple's own efforts, it's difficult to use a Mac without bei…

Yes this seems incoherent and incompatible for a company that supposedly care about their trade secrets.

This legal action will make anybody think twice before walking out of Cupertino with a stash of secrets.

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by rf15 »

efnx wrote: post #26

Is it normal for a company this big to make a public blog post like this with almost no introduction to what they’re on about? I would expect them to start out with something like Apple is suing us for yada yada yada, but instead it reads like the diary of a hurt teenager.

> it reads like the diary of a hurt teenager.

...you expected more from OpenAI leadership? Based on previous incidents this seems kinda par.

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by justonepost2 »

gr_norm wrote: post #29
efnx wrote: post #26

Is it normal for a company this big to make a public blog post like this with almost no introduction to what they’re on about? I would expect them to start out with something like Apple is suing us for yada yada yada, but instead it reads like the diary of a hurt teenager.

> it reads like the diary of a hurt teenager. Yep, down to the pages of iMessage screenshots

oh my god did you see brian’s hat?

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by greatgib »

apimade wrote: post #183

Data theft (i.e. taking corporate IP) was normalised until very recently (I'd say the last 2-3 years with the rise of the adoption of DLP and public litigation). A few examples I can think of thing I've heard _just_ in my own career; terabytes of client data taken by a former consultant, sales reps that joined _solely for the purpose_ of taking this quarter's leads and then ghosting the company, execs forcing the use…

It used to be a thing that dev were keeping source code and all in old time.

I remember a manager during an internship telling me to do clean code because later I might have to reuse piece of code in further work experiences. It was the time when code was shared with zip and so or net shares.

At that time there wasn't that many "software shop" and it was just a way to do things in other company like hardware manufacturers. Obviously you would have been trusted not to take or disseminate or reuse company trade secret or coffee things like expected by your non competition clause in your contact anyway.

Since then, a lot of company became like "software production" company and developers are now considered like factory workers.

And in some way I would say that you are nowadays robbed of your code and there isn't even attribution anymore.

Look, in the 80/90s it was more common to know the name of the main dev of major companies, and their contributions were clearly attributed to them. But now you will very very rarely know the dev that did the code for anything. Top manager/architect/... Might be recognized but not really for their code contributions.

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