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Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by umanghere »

AceJohnny2 wrote: post #143
bartman wrote: post #105

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The timeline OpenAI wants to present looks like this to me: - Leaving employee (LE) needs a USB stick to copy data off their Mac to give to their Manager (MA) so someone at Apple still has access - After LE left, MA has access to LE Mac and iCloud to still access some data - At some point, LE asks MA to sign out off LE's iMessage account on that Mac as they suspect they'll get OpenAI-related messages soon and don't w…

Granted, Apple does do this weird thing where you're invited to use your personal iCloud (/Apple) account for work-related things (I suspect because they're just bad at supporting multiple accounts simultaneously). As part of the deal, your iCloud account gets upgraded during your employment. But they're also quite explicit and repeat the directive (including during the exit interview) about removing Apple files from…

They did recently add the iCloud@Work compartment (right before I left), and it seemed like an OK compromise and kosher policy-wise.

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by like_any_other »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #167
like_any_other wrote: post #161

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Yes, we've built a society where being two-faced and false is rewarded. The least we can do is temper our criticism when someone "fails" to adhere to that.

We've built a society where we shit in private, not in the middle of the street.

You got your crude analogy backwards - it is the calculated, tactical PR-speak that is more like shitting up the public square, than the naive, honest-if-self-serving speech.

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by swiftcoder »

Barbing wrote: post #90
swiftcoder wrote: post #28

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> Is it standard practice at both Apple and OpenAI for employees to use their personal icloud account for work? This doesn't seem out of line with common practices at other big tech firms. If you go work at Meta, your personal Facebook/Instagram/Whatsapp/Oculus accounts become intrinsically linked to your work login identity (though a few employees created a secondary account on of all those to prevent this). Althoug…

Did employees get official approval to create secondary accounts? - Someone went on Reddit to ask if they really had to use their personal Facebook account to manage the company page as they said their boss pushed back against the idea, saying, “Do you think when Disney manages their Facebook page that Disney marketing execs have to use their personal Facebook accounts?” And it seemed like the answer may well have be…

> Did employees get official approval to create secondary accounts?

Yeah, at orientation they told us it was an option. I don't recall more than a couple of people taking advantage - if you go to work for Meta you've probably made your peace with it already.

> “Do you think when Disney manages their Facebook page that Disney marketing execs have to use their personal Facebook accounts?”

There are various business portal things that separate a business page from just one user owning them, but you still login to a business page you manage via your personal account, regardless of size of business

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by csomar »

efnx wrote: post #26

Is it normal for a company this big to make a public blog post like this with almost no introduction to what they’re on about? I would expect them to start out with something like Apple is suing us for yada yada yada, but instead it reads like the diary of a hurt teenager.

Yes, the CEO is Sam Altman.

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

-0_0- wrote: post #53
dannyw wrote: post #23

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Apparently Apple encourages their employees to use their personal iCloud accounts for company information, because their own OS doesn't support one iPhone, multiple iCloud identities. Source: https://appleinsider.com/articles/26/08/03/confidential-appl... So yeah.

Always found it odd that Apple don't let you have a second separate business profile to switch your phone to for work - especially when you don't necessarily want to be bringing browser history/personal apps into your workplace or wifi. Having your iphone locked to your personal account also hobbles their continuity features if you work on a business computer with its own work account (as most businesses do). Faceboo…

>Always found it odd that Apple don't let you have a second separate business profile to switch your phone to for work - especially when you don't necessarily want to be bringing browser history/personal apps into your workplace or wifi.

I'm guessing it's the same reason they don't offer multiple accounts on iPad. They would rather you bought more devices.

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by [deleted] »

chneu wrote: post #57
efnx wrote: post #26

Is it normal for a company this big to make a public blog post like this with almost no introduction to what they’re on about? I would expect them to start out with something like Apple is suing us for yada yada yada, but instead it reads like the diary of a hurt teenager.

This reads like a mypillow CEO type post. Its insane this is coming from a company with as much scope as openai. Scope may not be the right word.

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Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

putlake wrote: post #42
jzl wrote: post #14

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I've heard multiple times directly from Apple employees that there is no way to login to iCloud on your work machine using a company-controlled account. Many people create new Apple ID's which they only use while working there, but others just use their personal iCloud accounts. You are, of course, not supposed to store company data in iCloud. But thanks to Apple's own efforts, it's difficult to use a Mac without bei…

I have used a Macbook at work for 5 years without signing into any iCloud account ever.

I have as well but if you want to use any software that is only on the App Store like Numbers or Pages then you are out of luck.

It is a sub-standard experience and it looks like it is only going to get worse as Apple pushes iCloud into more areas of macOS.

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by ihateolives »

fingerlocks wrote: post #153
Melatonic wrote: post #135

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You aren't gaining or losing much - but they are gaining a huge risk. Just as you above show by being able to easily move files to any USB drive or Google Drive

Are you saying that your employers prevent you from accessing any potential data-leaking avenues? No usb ports, really? That’s an insane level of paranoia. Do you work for the mob or a drug cartel? How do you even compile and debug?

I've worked in strategically important sector and only USB devices that were allowed were keyboards and mice. The use of Bluetooth keyboard/mouse was discouraged.
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