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Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by onion2k »

dbgrman wrote: post #31

Not buying it. In the end, OpenAI will throw these people under the bus and settle out. I'm not Apple's biggest fan either (I got super upset when they conveniently wiped out all information about the person comiting suicide in one of their conference rooms and TMZ caught the police line and the sherif said "there is a gun, next to a dead person, we can't say much at the moment" and that was it). But it is unlikely t…

Not buying it. In the end, OpenAI will throw these people under the bus and settle out.

I think you're right, but let's not forget that Apple's goal isn't to protect themselves or to get a fat payout here. Their goal is to make their current employees less likely to leave for an offer at a company like OpenAI. This suit is telling everyone Apple employs "Hey, if you leave and we can find anything that looks a bit dubious, we're happy to screw you over."

Apple aren't a loving and caring company that nurtures people. They're as ruthless as the next trillion-dollar unicorn.

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by citrin_ru »

dannyw wrote: post #23
prmoustache wrote: post #5

When I look at the imessage conversation, one thing strikes me: that guy looks to be using the same icloud account he used when working for Apple with OpenAI. Is he using his own personal account? Why do both Apple and OpenAI allow that in the first place, this look so amateur. I would have assumed each company would have opened a different account for him and locked him when leaving. Is it standard practice at both…

Apparently Apple encourages their employees to use their personal iCloud accounts for company information, because their own OS doesn't support one iPhone, multiple iCloud identities. Source: https://appleinsider.com/articles/26/08/03/confidential-appl... So yeah.

Apple can give employees an iphone which will have an iCloud account in apples’s corp domain and can be used only for work. Many other companies do this.

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by jdw64 »

Reading through this, the Apple side of the story is actually the more fascinating one. It's frankly bizarre that a company of that scale had to rely on a former employee's (Chang Liu) personal iCloud access. It exposes a massive flaw in Apple's offboarding and internal system management. Combine that with their legal team confusing an Asian surname and emailing the wrong person, and publicly, Apple just ends up looking incompetent and deceitful.

By choosing to release these receipts to the public instead of saving them for court, OpenAI is executing a very deliberate PR strategy. They are effectively framing Apple as a sloppy, legacy company. As with most corporate litigation PR, information is selectively released. Here, OpenAI is trying to reframe Apple's own operational failures as the root cause, rather than any actual technology theft by OpenAI.

Looking at the bigger picture, it's clear who is actually at a disadvantage: OpenAI.

Whether Apple's tech was copied or not is almost secondary. The real existential threat for OpenAI is the legal discovery process, which could expose their internal AI architecture and training data to the public (and to Apple). That risk is exactly why OpenAI is playing this out in the court of public opinion—to force Apple's hand.

Ultimately, both sides have a lot to lose. Apple has always marketed itself on 'privacy, security, and perfection,' but this incident pulls back the curtain on how sloppy their internal operations can be. OpenAI has their own black boxes to protect. In the end, this isn't about truth; it's a pure media management war to see who blinks first.

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by stingraycharles »

What is this kind of unprofessional blog-style rant doing on OpenAI’s website? Shouldn’t this be settled between the two companies themselves rather than trying to play the court of public opinion?

Besides, I have absolutely no idea what this is about or whether I should care.

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by jtfrench »

sandeepkd wrote: post #52
gr_norm wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, based on their track record (I mean, even their name is a bad joke at this point) I'm not inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt. Turns out there's downsides to conducting yourself with little integrity.

> Apple now tries to shift the blame to “residual access”, but they also don’t disclose that this is a common issue with Apple which is caused by them failing to properly manage system access when people leave. I have been fixated on this topic for some time. Most people behave in a regulated and lawful manner to be on safer side. They do not trespass into some ones home just cause the owner happened to leave the doo…

Hugging Face straight up asked for $100M in compute or something from OpenAI in response to the hack, if I remember correctly.

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by pizzaballs »

int_x wrote: post #11

To me, this looks like OpenAI is terrified and tries to come out ahead of the public opinion to control the narrative. Such a shit company. They built their whole business model on stolen data and act surprised when another company has zero trust in them. Based on their track record this lawsuit is not unexpected at all.

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Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by NorthSouthNorth »

picafrost wrote: post #22

> we do not have, nor want, any of their trade secrets. We’re much more interested in building innovative products and technologies that push the frontier. The veiled implication here is hilariously petty. This entire document is hilariously petty. And apparently, ignorant of the news cycle. This does not build more trust in OpenAI. If it's-totally-a-misunderstanding and Apple-should-have-communicated-better is the b…

> we do not have, nor want, any of their trade secrets.

Is also rather funny when hiring HUNDREDS of their engineers.

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by supriyo-biswas »

gr_norm wrote: post #10

Setting aside the presented evidence, it feels weird for somewhat emotionally charged complaining like this to go on an official company blog. Companies are generally pretty tight-lipped about active litigation outside court documents, right? This just seems a bit amateurish, down to the title. Is public opinion about this case so important to them?

I mean we've had Matt Mullenweg from Wordpress make various below-the-belt comments about their competitors and other companies, something tells me that they're not the only CEO who acts in such a childish manner.

I'm sure saner heads like their legal people would prevail at some point, but until then...

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by lostlogin »

kubb wrote: post #61
efnx wrote: post #26

Is it normal for a company this big to make a public blog post like this with almost no introduction to what they’re on about? I would expect them to start out with something like Apple is suing us for yada yada yada, but instead it reads like the diary of a hurt teenager.

They spend a lot of the investors’ money on that. All the videos they put out are extremely high quality. They literally have communication experts sitting there, breaking their heads over how to influence the public opinion in the company’s favor. I guess they learned it from Elon: if people like you, they’ll just hold your stock forever, even if you don’t make much money.

> I guess they learned it from Elon: if people like you, they’ll just hold your stock forever, even if you don’t make much money.

Is that the Elon lesson? I see him behave terribly and suffer little consequence. Much like his political buddies.

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by Barbing »

swiftcoder wrote: post #28
prmoustache wrote: post #5

When I look at the imessage conversation, one thing strikes me: that guy looks to be using the same icloud account he used when working for Apple with OpenAI. Is he using his own personal account? Why do both Apple and OpenAI allow that in the first place, this look so amateur. I would have assumed each company would have opened a different account for him and locked him when leaving. Is it standard practice at both…

> Is it standard practice at both Apple and OpenAI for employees to use their personal icloud account for work? This doesn't seem out of line with common practices at other big tech firms. If you go work at Meta, your personal Facebook/Instagram/Whatsapp/Oculus accounts become intrinsically linked to your work login identity (though a few employees created a secondary account on of all those to prevent this). Althoug…

Did employees get official approval to create secondary accounts?

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Someone went on Reddit to ask if they really had to use their personal Facebook account to manage the company page as they said their boss pushed back against the idea, saying, “Do you think when Disney manages their Facebook page that Disney marketing execs have to use their personal Facebook accounts?”

And it seemed like the answer may well have been yes. There must be some value to Zuckerberg in tying it all together.

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