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Apple is getting this wrong

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Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by prmoustache »

jzl wrote: post #14
prmoustache wrote: post #5

When I look at the imessage conversation, one thing strikes me: that guy looks to be using the same icloud account he used when working for Apple with OpenAI. Is he using his own personal account? Why do both Apple and OpenAI allow that in the first place, this look so amateur. I would have assumed each company would have opened a different account for him and locked him when leaving. Is it standard practice at both…

I've heard multiple times directly from Apple employees that there is no way to login to iCloud on your work machine using a company-controlled account. Many people create new Apple ID's which they only use while working there, but others just use their personal iCloud accounts. You are, of course, not supposed to store company data in iCloud. But thanks to Apple's own efforts, it's difficult to use a Mac without bei…

Yes this seems incoherent and incompatible for a company that supposedly care about their trade secrets.

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Post by picafrost »

> we do not have, nor want, any of their trade secrets. We’re much more interested in building innovative products and technologies that push the frontier.

The veiled implication here is hilariously petty. This entire document is hilariously petty. And apparently, ignorant of the news cycle.

This does not build more trust in OpenAI. If it's-totally-a-misunderstanding and Apple-should-have-communicated-better is the best they can offer, well, good luck in court.

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by dannyw »

prmoustache wrote: post #5

When I look at the imessage conversation, one thing strikes me: that guy looks to be using the same icloud account he used when working for Apple with OpenAI. Is he using his own personal account? Why do both Apple and OpenAI allow that in the first place, this look so amateur. I would have assumed each company would have opened a different account for him and locked him when leaving. Is it standard practice at both…

Apparently Apple encourages their employees to use their personal iCloud accounts for company information, because their own OS doesn't support one iPhone, multiple iCloud identities.

Source: https://appleinsider.com/articles/26/08/03/confidential-appl...

So yeah.

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by jiggawatts »

gr_norm wrote: post #10

Setting aside the presented evidence, it feels weird for somewhat emotionally charged complaining like this to go on an official company blog. Companies are generally pretty tight-lipped about active litigation outside court documents, right? This just seems a bit amateurish, down to the title. Is public opinion about this case so important to them?

They might be head hunting other Apple staff and wish to control the narrative to avoid scaring them off.

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Post by efnx »

Is it normal for a company this big to make a public blog post like this with almost no introduction to what they’re on about?

I would expect them to start out with something like Apple is suing us for yada yada yada, but instead it reads like the diary of a hurt teenager.

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by swiftcoder »

prmoustache wrote: post #5

When I look at the imessage conversation, one thing strikes me: that guy looks to be using the same icloud account he used when working for Apple with OpenAI. Is he using his own personal account? Why do both Apple and OpenAI allow that in the first place, this look so amateur. I would have assumed each company would have opened a different account for him and locked him when leaving. Is it standard practice at both…

> Is it standard practice at both Apple and OpenAI for employees to use their personal icloud account for work?

This doesn't seem out of line with common practices at other big tech firms. If you go work at Meta, your personal Facebook/Instagram/Whatsapp/Oculus accounts become intrinsically linked to your work login identity (though a few employees created a secondary account on of all those to prevent this).

Although there are better controls than there used to be, it's not all that uncommon for sensitive work data to leak through this linkage into the public products...

Re: Apple is getting this wrong

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Post by gr_norm »

efnx wrote: post #26

Is it normal for a company this big to make a public blog post like this with almost no introduction to what they’re on about? I would expect them to start out with something like Apple is suing us for yada yada yada, but instead it reads like the diary of a hurt teenager.

> it reads like the diary of a hurt teenager.

Yep, down to the pages of iMessage screenshots

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