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Decades-old fish sauce at abandoned factory in Canada finally being removed

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Re: Decades-old fish sauce at abandoned factory in Canada finally being removed

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Post by arjie »

gruez wrote: post #126
gomoboo wrote: post #106

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I grew up in another country where Jamaican patties were popular and ordering a 'beef patty' would never get you a burger patty unless you were in a burger joint. Same as in Toronto; asking for patty (or beef patty) will 99% of the time get you a Jamaican patty.

>>Not being from Toronto, never in a million years would I even think of that as a visitor. >I grew up in another country where Jamaican patties were popular [...] Have you considered the possibility that Jamaican patties aren't universally popular and the fact that the two of you came from cities with a significant Jamaican diaspora doesn't invalidate the experience of the person who probably came from a city that d…

All of that may be true and yet it seems overly prescriptive for a state authority to determine the name of food. After all, a cheesesteak is not a steak but a sandwich. Regional variations on names are quite reasonable. On the other hand, Canadians are a prescriptive culture. In Montreal, for instance, they are very strict about street signs and so on. Perhaps it is just how things are done by that people.

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Post by chihuahua »

gadders wrote: post #56

Can you die from a umami overdose?

You can even die from a water overdose, so you can certainly die from an umami overdose. For example, imagine a person who ingests 100 kg of umami - I'd bet every penny I have that they won't survive. The lethal dose is somewhere between 1g and 100kg.

Re: Decades-old fish sauce at abandoned factory in Canada finally being removed

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Post by left-struck »

TitaRusell wrote: post #167

The real story here is how a corporation can just pack up and leave it's mess for the government to clean up. With public money. Recently in my city they discovered that a laundromat had polluted the ground water. The owners are long gone. Unfortunately chemicals are forever. The municipality tried to send the bill to the current owners but that is not real justice either.

Listen, I hate shitty corporations too, but if you read the article it’s the government who shut down the business because of mold growth in the factory.

Anyway, just saying there’s some nuance here. Like maybe if a government shuts down a business like this there needs to be some negotiation and an exit plan.

Re: Decades-old fish sauce at abandoned factory in Canada finally being removed

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Post by theluketaylor »

cuechan wrote: post #17

Slightly Offtopic but the voice in the embedded youtube Video is so sounds so unnatural and creepy. I guess its AI generated and no one bothered to check the end result.

There are dozens of local CBC news broadcasts all over the country and they all feature someone with similarly strong enunciation and clipped pauses for emphasis. She certainly has one most aggressive forms I've heard, but that's absolutely the CBC news anchor 'voice' and has been for decades. No AI trickery here, just weird Canadian public broadacaster-isms.

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Post by SECProto »

hn773746483 wrote: post #224
SECProto wrote: post #76

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> it’s unreasonable to spend tax dollars on saving people from that ambiguity I quite appreciate the taxpayer funded regulation of technical terms - I like being able to buy ice cream at the store and know if it's "ice cream" or "frozen dessert". Or "cream cheese" vs "cream cheese product". Or many other similar things. The Jamaican patty and fish sauce ones are problematic, but also happened 25-40 years ago.

In Ontario, "Frozen Treat" and "Ice Cream", "Orange Juice" and "Orange Drink" are on shelves often right beside eachother with nearly identical packaging. I only noticed the latter when I saw one was significantly cheaper, at first thought it was pulp/no pulp.

Yup, exactly - which is what makes the regulated descriptors (eg "juice") so important!

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Post by dboreham »

dtgriscom wrote: post #227
whycome wrote: post #31

It’s organic solids. Just get it to the ocean. It’s not like it’s crude oil or volatile chemicals.

I live near Boston, and every winter the city needs to deal with tons and tons of snow removed from the streets. The easiest solution is to dump it in Boston Harbor, but the Massachusetts Department of Environmental Protection banned that in 1997 (as part of cleaning up the Harbor). The solution: pile the snow up in vacant lots and let it melt into the Harbor. What's the difference? Dunno...

There's a significant difference in that solids picked up with the snow (gravel, dirt, dog shit, human...) mostly won't end up in the harbor.

Re: Decades-old fish sauce at abandoned factory in Canada finally being removed

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Post by Barbing »

roncesvalles wrote: post #213
elros wrote: post #206

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If we're going by anecdotes, let's add mine: I've lived in 4 continents, about 15 countries, I speak 6 languages, I hold a few citizenships, I consider myself fairly cultured and not only I've never eaten a Jamaican meat patty but I've also never seen one for sale. In fact the only way I know about their existence is through watching news reports of what happened in Canada in 1985. How familiar are you with food from…

>In fact the only way I know about their existence is through watching news reports of what happened in Canada in 1985. Since you know about it, the label doesn't apply to you, regardless of how.

That’s not very fair. Can’t pretend for a second they or the many like them haven’t seen news about 1985 Canada?

Re: Decades-old fish sauce at abandoned factory in Canada finally being removed

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Post by Barbing »

xp84 wrote: post #222
inigyou wrote: post #185

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Did you know in Germany it's illegal to call a product "soy yoghurt" because yoghurt is a dairy product?

Here in America it’s the same - the people selling the fake stuff (sorry, “plant based stuff”) get around it by using fanciful spellings, that’s why we have “Cheez” and “OatMylk” and stuff. Also a VERY popular one: “Crème” - sounds fancy and French!! McDonalds offers a “Strawberries & Crème Pie.”

The dairy industry was upset about alternative milks and said it has to be from the mammary gland of a mammal to which one alternative milk advocate responds, what do you call the liquid that spills out when you cut a coconut in half?

Re: Decades-old fish sauce at abandoned factory in Canada finally being removed

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Post by dataflow »

roncesvalles wrote: post #210
xp84 wrote: post #209

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Obligatory https://xkcd.com/2501/ "The average North American probably only knows about Ackee and Saltfish, and Curry Goat!" "And Oxtail Stew, of course." "Of course!" Does one need to know a variety of dishes from each of the 193 UN-recognized states' cuisines to not be uncultured? If not, which ones are OK to be ignorant of? Clearly Jamaica's a must-have, but I'd like the full list so I can remediate the issue at o…

>Does one need to know a variety of dishes from each of the 193 UN-recognized states' cuisines to not be uncultured? No, but you should know the top 5 dishes of the 10-15 most popular cuisines of the world, at least. That's only about 50-75 dishes; many individual restaurants have bigger menus than that. >Ackee and Saltfish, and Curry Goat! And Oxtail Stew, Yes... I would expect one to know these. At least that oxtai…

> You should know the top 5 dishes of the 10-15 most popular cuisines of the world, at least.

Leaving aside how ridiculous these numbers you pulled out of nowhere are, what godsent culturedness list are you using that is somehow so common knowledge and that yet the rest of us uncultured boneheads somehow missed the memo for? Even searching this now, and no disrespect whatsoever to Jamaica, I neither see "Jamaica" nor even "patty" listed in the top search result for the 100 top cuisines in the world [1]. For reference, they have Russian, Dutch, English, etc. listed, which (again, no disrespect intended) are the ones you often hear people complain/joke about as being bland.

[1] https://www.tasteatlas.com/best/cuisines

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