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Decades-old fish sauce at abandoned factory in Canada finally being removed

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Re: Decades-old fish sauce at abandoned factory in Canada finally being removed

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Post by frandroid »

mythrwy wrote: post #88
wang_li wrote: post #52

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This stuff is barely pollution. Everything there is a natural part of the environment and biological processes. Literally the only issue here is the concentration of it. Dumping it in the ocean is an ideal course of action. Failing that it should be dumped out in the wilderness, not in bags, but just on the ground. It may have a short-term change in the local environment, but long term it's fertilizer. The risk of du…

They could mix it with woodchips and compost it and it would be an excellent soil amendment full of trace marine minerals.

oh, a stinkier compost? sign me up!

Re: Decades-old fish sauce at abandoned factory in Canada finally being removed

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Post by beedeebeedee »

gruez wrote: post #126
gomoboo wrote: post #106

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I grew up in another country where Jamaican patties were popular and ordering a 'beef patty' would never get you a burger patty unless you were in a burger joint. Same as in Toronto; asking for patty (or beef patty) will 99% of the time get you a Jamaican patty.

>>Not being from Toronto, never in a million years would I even think of that as a visitor. >I grew up in another country where Jamaican patties were popular [...] Have you considered the possibility that Jamaican patties aren't universally popular and the fact that the two of you came from cities with a significant Jamaican diaspora doesn't invalidate the experience of the person who probably came from a city that d…

I’m from New Haven and if you went into a place and asked for a beef patty you would get a Jamaican beef patty, not a burger. It may not be everywhere, but pretty much every city I’ve lived in that is the case

Re: Decades-old fish sauce at abandoned factory in Canada finally being removed

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Post by roncesvalles »

elros wrote: post #206
roncesvalles wrote: post #202

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1. Jamaican cuisine is fairly popular globally. 2. Patties are popular within Jamaican cuisine. It's not something very niche. I think my comment was perfectly fair. It's like not knowing what empanadas, samosas, shumai, or takoyaki are (and yes, one would be uncultured for not knowing any of these too). It betrays something about the cosmopolitan-ness of your life experiences. It's not even about geography. I'm pret…

If we're going by anecdotes, let's add mine: I've lived in 4 continents, about 15 countries, I speak 6 languages, I hold a few citizenships, I consider myself fairly cultured and not only I've never eaten a Jamaican meat patty but I've also never seen one for sale. In fact the only way I know about their existence is through watching news reports of what happened in Canada in 1985. How familiar are you with food from…

>In fact the only way I know about their existence is through watching news reports of what happened in Canada in 1985.

Since you know about it, the label doesn't apply to you, regardless of how.

Re: Decades-old fish sauce at abandoned factory in Canada finally being removed

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Post by elros »

roncesvalles wrote: post #213
elros wrote: post #206

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If we're going by anecdotes, let's add mine: I've lived in 4 continents, about 15 countries, I speak 6 languages, I hold a few citizenships, I consider myself fairly cultured and not only I've never eaten a Jamaican meat patty but I've also never seen one for sale. In fact the only way I know about their existence is through watching news reports of what happened in Canada in 1985. How familiar are you with food from…

>In fact the only way I know about their existence is through watching news reports of what happened in Canada in 1985. Since you know about it, the label doesn't apply to you, regardless of how.

Alright, buddy :-)

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Post by lazide »

Reason077 wrote: post #181
fooster wrote: post #133

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The ocean seems to contain a great deal of salt though.

Absolutely. So the ideal solution would be to return it to whence it came, but presumably that’s easier said than done if they’re going to all this trouble to bury it in a plastic sarcophagus instead.

Or someone gets paid a lot more for the plastic sarcophagus.

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Post by _carbyau_ »

roncesvalles wrote: post #210
xp84 wrote: post #209

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Obligatory https://xkcd.com/2501/ "The average North American probably only knows about Ackee and Saltfish, and Curry Goat!" "And Oxtail Stew, of course." "Of course!" Does one need to know a variety of dishes from each of the 193 UN-recognized states' cuisines to not be uncultured? If not, which ones are OK to be ignorant of? Clearly Jamaica's a must-have, but I'd like the full list so I can remediate the issue at o…

>Does one need to know a variety of dishes from each of the 193 UN-recognized states' cuisines to not be uncultured? No, but you should know the top 5 dishes of the 10-15 most popular cuisines of the world, at least. That's only about 50-75 dishes; many individual restaurants have bigger menus than that. >Ackee and Saltfish, and Curry Goat! And Oxtail Stew, Yes... I would expect one to know these. At least that oxtai…

> No, but you should know the top 5 dishes of the 10-15 most popular cuisines of the world, at least. That's only about 50-75 dishes; many individual restaurants have bigger menus than that.

Man, I so don't care about food. I pay attention to it enough that it doesn't hurt me and gives me the nutrients I need.

193? Top five? 10-15? 50-75? I could not care less to have a standard regarding knowledge about cuisines.

I get what food I can from the options I have available to me and use the words on the menu or out of the staff's mouth.

Edit: stick to the point

Re: Decades-old fish sauce at abandoned factory in Canada finally being removed

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Post by xp84 »

roncesvalles wrote: post #210
xp84 wrote: post #209

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Obligatory https://xkcd.com/2501/ "The average North American probably only knows about Ackee and Saltfish, and Curry Goat!" "And Oxtail Stew, of course." "Of course!" Does one need to know a variety of dishes from each of the 193 UN-recognized states' cuisines to not be uncultured? If not, which ones are OK to be ignorant of? Clearly Jamaica's a must-have, but I'd like the full list so I can remediate the issue at o…

>Does one need to know a variety of dishes from each of the 193 UN-recognized states' cuisines to not be uncultured? No, but you should know the top 5 dishes of the 10-15 most popular cuisines of the world, at least. That's only about 50-75 dishes; many individual restaurants have bigger menus than that. >Ackee and Saltfish, and Curry Goat! And Oxtail Stew, Yes... I would expect one to know these. At least that oxtai…

You’re asserting that Jamaican is in the top 15?

That’s quite the claim.

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Post by fsckboy »

BenjiWiebe wrote: post #179
NetMageSCW wrote: post #178

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You seem to be ignoring the salt that was added to those fish.

The ocean is salty. And dumping manure on a field can prevent growth, if you do too much. So I would think some degree of dilution would be a good idea before dumping it in the ocean.

even if you "scorch" a field with too much manure one year, that field is going to come back with a vengeance at some point. There are all sorts of natural disasters that scar the forest (like fire), but it is a renewing process

Re: Decades-old fish sauce at abandoned factory in Canada finally being removed

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Post by dredmorbius »

tantalor wrote: post #141
peri-cl wrote: post #65

I recall reading there were zoning laws in the classical era about where you could manufacture garum (the Roman fermented fish condiment). Here's one attributable example I could find, from the tail end of the Eastern empire. This is 2.4.22 in the Hexabiblos (1344–1345) ["–" sic ] of the Byzantine jurist, Constantine Harmenopoulos of Thessalonica; it legislates a ~450–600-meter exclusion zone (three stadia ). The arc…

> causes no ordinary harm to those nearby I don't see what's the big deal. If it causes no harm, why have any regulation?

That's not half wrong.
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