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Decades-old fish sauce at abandoned factory in Canada finally being removed

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Re: Decades-old fish sauce at abandoned factory in Canada finally being removed

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post #78

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>it’s not compatible with marine life and would in fact cause an ecological disaster And this can't be solved by dilution?

Do you really think the super basic idea of diluting it wasn't considered by anyone involved? Why are you so hung up on this?

Someone bounced from "let's dump 40 vats at once" to "we can't allow even a slow leak". No, I don't think we're seeing rigorous scientific competence.

Re: Decades-old fish sauce at abandoned factory in Canada finally being removed

#152
post #18

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Put it on a boat, navigate to an area with a current away from any land and then slowly release it

Take it outside the environment.

If somehow someone hasn’t seen this, they are in for a treat.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3m5qxZm_JqM&pp=0gcJCWgCo7VqN5t...

Re: Decades-old fish sauce at abandoned factory in Canada finally being removed

#153
post #74
post #52

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This stuff is barely pollution. Everything there is a natural part of the environment and biological processes. Literally the only issue here is the concentration of it. Dumping it in the ocean is an ideal course of action. Failing that it should be dumped out in the wilderness, not in bags, but just on the ground. It may have a short-term change in the local environment, but long term it's fertilizer. The risk of du…

The scientists who have been testing it since 2016 have looked at the evidence and they disagree with you. CBC had to do an access to information request for the results - it took four years. Here is their coverage: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/nl-st-m...

> "All fish placed in the effluent died within 15 minutes,"

The suggestion was to dilute it while slowly releasing it into the ocean. The quote from the report tells us nothing useful.

Re: Decades-old fish sauce at abandoned factory in Canada finally being removed

#154
post #139

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Why would cheesemakers be smelly?

Stinky cheeses have largely disappeared from the zeitgeist, but were used to be much more common (see, for example, the Pepe Le Pew cartoon from the 40s where his would-be paramour locks herself in a Limburger cheese factory gaining a stench that puts the amorous skunk in flight).

I just asked AI about this, wondering if the Romans were making stinky Limburger-style cheeses, and apparently not... there is a known roman legal case complaining about the smoke from making smoke-cured cheeses, and one might infer that spoilable byproducts such as whey might not add to the aroma of a cheesemaker!

Re: Decades-old fish sauce at abandoned factory in Canada finally being removed

#155
post #65

I recall reading there were zoning laws in the classical era about where you could manufacture garum (the Roman fermented fish condiment). Here's one attributable example I could find, from the tail end of the Eastern empire. This is 2.4.22 in the Hexabiblos (1344–1345) ["–" sic ] of the Byzantine jurist, Constantine Harmenopoulos of Thessalonica; it legislates a ~450–600-meter exclusion zone (three stadia ). The arc…

> causes no ordinary harm to those nearby I don't see what's the big deal. If it causes no harm, why have any regulation?

Think of a merchant trying to convince you that "this is no ordinary watch". That sort of "no ordinary".

Re: Decades-old fish sauce at abandoned factory in Canada finally being removed

#156
post #126

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I grew up in another country where Jamaican patties were popular and ordering a 'beef patty' would never get you a burger patty unless you were in a burger joint. Same as in Toronto; asking for patty (or beef patty) will 99% of the time get you a Jamaican patty.

>>Not being from Toronto, never in a million years would I even think of that as a visitor. >I grew up in another country where Jamaican patties were popular [...] Have you considered the possibility that Jamaican patties aren't universally popular and the fact that the two of you came from cities with a significant Jamaican diaspora doesn't invalidate the experience of the person who probably came from a city that d…

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Re: Decades-old fish sauce at abandoned factory in Canada finally being removed

#157
post #74
post #52

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This stuff is barely pollution. Everything there is a natural part of the environment and biological processes. Literally the only issue here is the concentration of it. Dumping it in the ocean is an ideal course of action. Failing that it should be dumped out in the wilderness, not in bags, but just on the ground. It may have a short-term change in the local environment, but long term it's fertilizer. The risk of du…

The scientists who have been testing it since 2016 have looked at the evidence and they disagree with you. CBC had to do an access to information request for the results - it took four years. Here is their coverage: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/nl-st-m...

That article doesn't have any extra information that wasn't in the original poster on this thread.

As fas as everybody here knows, it's rotten fish, salt and vinegar.

Re: Decades-old fish sauce at abandoned factory in Canada finally being removed

#158
I purchased a bottle of good Vietnamese fish sauce after reading a thread on HN about its mythical flavor profile.

Added a few meager drops to a noodle soup, and I was so overwhelmed with nausea that I threw out the entire pot, and threw the entire bottle of fish sauce into the trash.

I can't imagine want an unholy stench this decades-old fish sauce plant must produce. I would have evacuated permanently, without question.

Re: Decades-old fish sauce at abandoned factory in Canada finally being removed

#159
post #52
post #32

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The solution to pollution is dilution was a philosophy prior to modern environmental protection laws, which were a reaction to the fact that we were absolutely destroying all kinds of ecosystems, even when we thought we were just diluting toxins down to nothing.

This stuff is barely pollution. Everything there is a natural part of the environment and biological processes. Literally the only issue here is the concentration of it. Dumping it in the ocean is an ideal course of action. Failing that it should be dumped out in the wilderness, not in bags, but just on the ground. It may have a short-term change in the local environment, but long term it's fertilizer. The risk of du…

> Literally the only issue here is the concentration of it.

And the fact that there is 900k litres of it.

Re: Decades-old fish sauce at abandoned factory in Canada finally being removed

#160

The talk of glutamic acid made me wonder if fish sauce is related to MSG. Gemini confirms MSG is just salt and glutamic acid, which is to say fish sauce is naturally derived MSG. Fun story: I was riding a motorcycle across Vietnam a few years ago. Made some friends on an excursion, and we all went to dinner together. The restaurant was a little outdoor kitchen and some picnic benches in front of an apartment building…

The joke about KFC's "11 secret herbs and spices" is that they are

• Salt

• Pepper

• MSG

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