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Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork

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Re: Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork

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Post by akmarinov »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #169
akmarinov wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cool - how are they going to detect/police that?

The NSA will run Mythos against the entire US population and it will find the patterns. Powerful computer purchases. Energy consumption suddenly spiking. HN comments demonstrating intent and/or contempt for the glorious self-evident freedom preserving laws of the United States. Then they call your local law enforcement with an anonymous tip about this suspicious dude who's long overdue for a totally random home inspe…

Yeah but I'm in Australia and just host AI models as a service - how are the NSA gonna convince the local law enforcement to do anything?

Re: Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork

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Post by akmarinov »

victorbjorklund wrote: post #317
akmarinov wrote: post #156

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Cool - how are they going to detect/police that?

Same way they detect if you do business with Russia, North Korea, Iran. They don’t detect 100% of the cases but the punishment are severe enough to deter most companies.

How exactly though? I have my 4 RTX 6000 pumping out Deepseek code for my website - how are they going to tell i've used Chinese models?

Re: Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork

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Post by aurareturn »

DoctorOetker wrote: post #381
aurareturn wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lmao I love their video with the idea that people will be able to do their hobbies while ai does their job. Anecdotally, I'm even more busy with AI than before AI. I'm expected to do a lot more even if doing one thing is faster. Before AI: I have 10 tasks that take 1 hour each to do. After AI: I have 100 tasks that take 10 minutes each to do. Same amount of time spent working, maybe even more stressful, just more pro…

So you were working 10 x 1 hour = 10 hours before. And then you were doing 100 x 10 minutes = 100 / 6 hours = ~16 hours & 40 minutes.

My brain didn't work there.

Re: Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork

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Post by LeBit »

toshinoriyagi wrote: post #8

They've also announced Qwen3.8-27B being released open-weight next week. Qwen3.6-27B is widely regarded as one of the best local models, especially since nothing else comes close to it, that isn't benchmaxxed, without being significantly larger. If 3.8 truly improves upon it that would be awesome.

You consider that even Gemma 4 31B is not even competing with Qwen 3.6 27B?

Re: Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork

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Post by superze »

storus wrote: post #67

I think the window for a ban of open weight models is closing fast so let's hope US administration is going to miss it and we get Fable-level models (at least in some aspects) with open weights without infringing any newly introduced law as a long-term local baseline.

If it's fable level then I am sold. I didn't have so much success with Qwen compared to claude x supermax plus thinking, no matter what I did.

Re: Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork

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Post by olmo23 »

Iolaum wrote: post #390
jpgvm wrote: post #375

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They can be deterministic. We did this at Groq, if you sent a request with exactly the same input token, seed and temperature value you would get precisely the same result every time. This is harder to do on other architectures that themselves aren't fully deterministic though.

Was the temperature 0? Cause unless I don't understand it right, any non-zero temperature implies probabilistic next token prediction. You did mention, seed, which I haven't seen available anywhere else (in my limited experience) and it can explain a reproducible inference result, but I feel like this matches the "letter of the law" meaning of deterministic rather than the "spirit of the law".

If you send the seed along, you can have a non-zero temperature: when it's time to select tokens, a PRNG will be seeded and used for the selection.

Re: Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork

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Post by mym1990 »

sgt wrote: post #199
jjcm wrote: post #170

The visual web development / perceptionbench scores are very promising for image->html flows. Here are some test results. Original designs: https://image.non.io/257dc9cb-9e6b-4e00-8f12-23ea5e073649.we... These are fairly rich, pattern-heavy, nuanced designs. I've asked each to create it as a SPA where the map flows behind it. Opus 5 results: https://html.non.io/opusAcmeBooks Qwen 3.8 max results: https://html.non.io/…

Both horrific (from a user's perspective, perhaps not the underlying code). I've noticed another type of AI slop that's prevalent in all the popular models; font sizes and variations like you wouldn't believe. It's very hard to instruct LLM's not to do this.

I thought it was pretty cool, its the kind of stuff that I wish there was more of on the internet. I guess some people's imagination runs a little more than others.

Re: Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork

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Post by laszlojamf »

MontagFTB wrote: post #403

In a 30M+ LOC repo we blew out Qwen3.6’s context thinking about a code review. This was via direct call to model. Do harnesses facilitate better context management, or is there something else to accommodate its smaller context window?

What was it reviewing? Was it just a "take a look at this pile of code over here"? Because I think asking any model to review 30M lines of code is a stretch...

Re: Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork

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Post by bnjemian »

Iolaum wrote: post #390
jpgvm wrote: post #375

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can be deterministic. We did this at Groq, if you sent a request with exactly the same input token, seed and temperature value you would get precisely the same result every time. This is harder to do on other architectures that themselves aren't fully deterministic though.

Was the temperature 0? Cause unless I don't understand it right, any non-zero temperature implies probabilistic next token prediction. You did mention, seed, which I haven't seen available anywhere else (in my limited experience) and it can explain a reproducible inference result, but I feel like this matches the "letter of the law" meaning of deterministic rather than the "spirit of the law".

Using a PRNG and a seed, you can have paeudo-randomness and determinism. The pseudo-randomness is the key piece, it’s random to the extent that it cannot be distinguished from true randomness in polynomial time classically.
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