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Re: Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork

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Post by ignoramous »

Jowsey wrote: post #18
simonw wrote: post #5

> Today, we are officially releasing Qwen 3.8-Max, the most capable model in the Qwen family to date. This also marks the first time we will open-source the weights of a Qwen-Max-class model — the open weights will be released next week. I don't understand. That's dated today, but: https://twitter.com/alibaba_qwen/status/2078759124914098291 > Qwen3.8 is launching and going open-weight soon! [...] You don't have to wa…

My understanding is that these "preview" models are usually earlier RL checkpoints, and that "official release" happens when they're happy with the training run? I believe they mentioned around the preview announcement that they'd be releasing improvements to capability, which I assume means continued training.

In Qwen's case, both 3.8 Max releases seem rushed may be in response to Kimi K3 getting all that attention.

3.8 Max Preview ran 90% discount on QwenCloud exactly as when Moonshot couldn't keep up with all the signups.

Re: Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork

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Post by pimeys »

gilgoomesh wrote: post #133
Fordec wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if the US does ban it, Europe due to its lack of European competitors, has no current similar protectionist incentives. Even if there is regulatory capture in the US, the rest of the world isn't going to follow suit until the current market leaders outright are replaced with other competitors that Europe would want to favor. The genie is out of the bottle in the West already.

> lack of European competitors There's Mistral. Although they've been surprisingly quiet for the last 6 months.

They are profitable and active on the enterprise local model territory. You can RL a model with them for your own purposes and I heard good things about it.

Re: Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork

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Post by sweetjuly »

akmarinov wrote: post #156
CamperBob2 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Level 1: Anyone using unauthorized model weights in their business is prohibited from doing business with the government... Level 2: ... or with anyone who does. Level 3: Anyone caught with unauthorized model weights is subject to the same prosecution they could expect if they had been caught with CSAM.

Cool - how are they going to detect/police that?

When has enforceability ever been a concern of the government? This is the same government that had anti-sodomy laws on the books until the Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional in 2003.

Making it illegal even without having a realistic means of enforcing it still chills behavior, and so just because it isn't practically enforceable in the general case doesn't mean it isn't without consequences.

Re: Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork

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Post by konart »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #44
pettijohn wrote: post #38

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Wow, bike geometry is really good! Except for the missing wheels lol

Do pelican bikes need wheels? They've got wings, after all... I think Qwen is on to something here.

And what if his name is Marty?

Re: Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork

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Post by sparkling »

Fordec wrote: post #119
storus wrote: post #67

I think the window for a ban of open weight models is closing fast so let's hope US administration is going to miss it and we get Fable-level models (at least in some aspects) with open weights without infringing any newly introduced law as a long-term local baseline.

Even if the US does ban it, Europe due to its lack of European competitors, has no current similar protectionist incentives. Even if there is regulatory capture in the US, the rest of the world isn't going to follow suit until the current market leaders outright are replaced with other competitors that Europe would want to favor. The genie is out of the bottle in the West already.

>Europe due to its lack of European competitors, has no current similar protectionist incentives [...] The genie is out of the bottle in the West already.

I agree, but you are underestimating EU regulatory incompetence

Re: Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork

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Post by matheusmoreira »

akmarinov wrote: post #156
CamperBob2 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Level 1: Anyone using unauthorized model weights in their business is prohibited from doing business with the government... Level 2: ... or with anyone who does. Level 3: Anyone caught with unauthorized model weights is subject to the same prosecution they could expect if they had been caught with CSAM.

Cool - how are they going to detect/police that?

The NSA will run Mythos against the entire US population and it will find the patterns. Powerful computer purchases. Energy consumption suddenly spiking. HN comments demonstrating intent and/or contempt for the glorious self-evident freedom preserving laws of the United States.

Then they call your local law enforcement with an anonymous tip about this suspicious dude who's long overdue for a totally random home inspection.

Re: Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork

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Post by jjcm »

The visual web development / perceptionbench scores are very promising for image->html flows. Here are some test results.

Original designs: https://image.non.io/257dc9cb-9e6b-4e00-8f12-23ea5e073649.we...

These are fairly rich, pattern-heavy, nuanced designs. I've asked each to create it as a SPA where the map flows behind it.

Opus 5 results: https://html.non.io/opusAcmeBooks

Qwen 3.8 max results: https://html.non.io/qwenAcmeBooks

Same prompt for both for the conversion. I used OpenCode for the qwen version, but I encountered a significant amount of errors / timeouts while it was running. Claude finished in around 16 min, but I spent close to 2 hours shepherding the Qwen build. For the implementation, there were signs it had good vision, but the timeouts make this very hard to use in a production setting.

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