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Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork

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Re: Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork

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Post by InsideOutSanta »

badatnames wrote: post #254
rzerowan wrote: post #232

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Theres a pretty big chance imho that europe will follow suit , or at least the segmenets that are fully aligned with the US on all things china even to their own detriment. Remeber rip and replace Huawei 5G because of national security , leading to some parts of europe having worse coverage than some tiny african markets. Best bet would be for europe to look at it like what it is an open source commodity that is usef…

If CADA passes in its current state I doubt we'll be banning Chinese models any time soon. I think most people misunderstand the extent of the permanent damage caused by Trump

He threatened to go to war with Denmark over Greenland. In the US, that might just be a side story, a little joke from insane grandpa president. But it's not in Europe. And it's only one of the crazy adversarial things he did.

Re: Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork

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Post by maattdd »

sparkling wrote: post #260
maattdd wrote: post #259

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DeepSeek without OpenRouter is wayyyy cheaper

Is it? OpenRouter shows DeepInfra being cheaper than DeepSeek directly https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4-flash-20260731#pr...

Interesting. My anecdotal experience is that it is.

Re: Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork

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Post by thecopy »

sparkling wrote: post #260
maattdd wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DeepSeek without OpenRouter is wayyyy cheaper

Is it? OpenRouter shows DeepInfra being cheaper than DeepSeek directly https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4-flash-20260731#pr...

I agree with parent. OpenRouter might be cheaper list-price, but i have been using 10$ on DS platform since April/May, still have 2$ left. Using OpenRouter i depleted the same dollar-amount in a 1-2 weeks with same usage pattern. No idea why.

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Post by ucha »

Zenst wrote: post #255

Whilst these coding models improve, they seem to cater for multiple languages, and for many, a trimmed-down LLM that supports just one language would be fantastic. This would be smaller, more able to run on the hardware people have at home, realistically (even on the CPU). Having one LLM that knows assembler, java, bain, C etc is neat, but when you only work and use one language at a time, it would be kinda neat to h…

That's not how LLMs work. If you're talking about number of parameters, you wouldn't be able to reduce the size much by "removing" support for other languages.

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Post by ahartmetz »

jiggawatts wrote: post #249
badsectoracula wrote: post #222

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A local model needs 0 investment and 0 commitment, takes literal minutes to get started (especially if you have someone who is into that stuff showing you the ropes) and if you end up disliking the experience of using AI you can just `rm -fr` it and forget the whole thing existed.

This is the diametric opposite of the rent-vs-buy scenario that this entails. Local: You need to invest $thousands into GPU and/or very-high-end CPU+Memory hardware. Vendor: You can use any existing device, even a phone or tablet. A very low-end laptop is fine. > takes literal minutes to get started Local: Typical scenario is hours just to download the software, the model weights, and then faffing around with CUDA an…

It took me about three hours total to set up a local model. I already have a GPU and I have fiber for the download. llama.cpp is not difficult to compile and has many backends. It can run parts of the model on different backends, like in the common case that the GPU doesn't have enough VRAM for everything. There are many step-by-step guides available.

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Post by Achshar »

Zenst wrote: post #255

Whilst these coding models improve, they seem to cater for multiple languages, and for many, a trimmed-down LLM that supports just one language would be fantastic. This would be smaller, more able to run on the hardware people have at home, realistically (even on the CPU). Having one LLM that knows assembler, java, bain, C etc is neat, but when you only work and use one language at a time, it would be kinda neat to h…

I believe the knowledge of multiple languages brings something onto the table that having narrow language knowledge does not. The LLM will be able to better generalize a problem, apply universal concepts and avoid mistakes that would otherwise be too "echo chambery". Even as a human, knowing multiple languages has made me better at my primary language.

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Post by kwikiel »

Zenst wrote: post #255

Whilst these coding models improve, they seem to cater for multiple languages, and for many, a trimmed-down LLM that supports just one language would be fantastic. This would be smaller, more able to run on the hardware people have at home, realistically (even on the CPU). Having one LLM that knows assembler, java, bain, C etc is neat, but when you only work and use one language at a time, it would be kinda neat to h…

Teaching model to code in say python does indeed increase its effectiveness in other seemingly unrelated areas. On the other hand I remember that early models of ChatGPT were great in chess notation and later models aren’t as good as OpenAI doesn’t prioritize this now

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Post by regularfry »

me551ah wrote: post #257

This makes me wonder if AI companies even have a MOAT in the first place. All requests to an LLM are idempotent, for every API call you need to send it the entire conversation history so that it can process it. LLMs do not learn or remember anything, which makes it super easy for users to switch LLMs on the fly. Most popular AI frameworks, make this a one-liner change these days. And that makes me wonder if the trill…

With their current API approach they're essentially a commodity. They need to start moving parts of the harness behind the API, otherwise they'll remain a commodity.

Recursive self-improvement changes the parameters a bit, especially for the market-leaders, and it's the one thing that makes me wonder if they'll be able to extend their lead faster than the smaller labs can keep up, but it's an option available to everyone.

Re: Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork

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Post by sparkling »

thecopy wrote: post #263
sparkling wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it? OpenRouter shows DeepInfra being cheaper than DeepSeek directly https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4-flash-20260731#pr...

I agree with parent. OpenRouter might be cheaper list-price, but i have been using 10$ on DS platform since April/May, still have 2$ left. Using OpenRouter i depleted the same dollar-amount in a 1-2 weeks with same usage pattern. No idea why.

What does your usage look like?
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