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Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

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Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

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post #11

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That is... unintuitive. Wouldn't the escaped salmon have to be able to get back upstream enough to where the wild salmon are laying/milting?

They’ve bred more docile salmon, according to the article. Getting that DNA into wild populations would be problematic I’d imagine.

That's surprisingly easy. It's been done for chickens. All that was necessary was to put groups of chickens in cages, and keep only the cage groups that were the best egg-layers. After only a few generations, chicken-on-chicken violence was way down.

Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

#103

I am surprised by the statement "Today, salmon sushi is a staple of Japanese cuisine" While in Japan a few years ago, I found no salmon on the menu in sushi places. When inquiring why, we were told that salmon is not that good, and that is more a food for kids than adults. Did it change or are we just one data point?

It's a staple of Yelp restaurants. Yelp considers "fish" and "salmon" to be synonyms. Try to search Yelp for a place that serves trout.

Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

#104
post #71

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China has the world’s largest distant-water fishing fleet, and Chinese vessels fish far beyond China's coastal waters like in South America, West Africa, Indian Ocean.

That's an interesting fact but that does not tell me anything about the possibility it has of raising salmon in its own waters

Why would they need to do it in their own waters?

Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

#105
post #101

> killed and slaughtered then you see this kind of language you know what this article gonna be is about

Cambridge dictionary defines slaughtering as

> the killing of animals for meat

So I guess "killed and slaughtered" would be redundant but not wrong.

Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

#106
post #69

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> A hamburger probably has a better nutritional value than farmed salmon. Why would you think that? Ground beef typically has higher saturated fat than even farmed salmon and a lot less omega-3. A hamburger adds a refined carbohydrate bun and sauces on top of that. I think your political beliefs are overriding factual accuracy. > And the color is fake, if they do not add coloring to the food, farmed salmon would be g…

Absolutely valid to attack the political beliefs here. Farmed fish is somehow considered ecologically harmful but it's significantly less harmful than overfishing and allows for bringing extremely efficient, healthy food to the continental interior, which has the potential to reduce heart disease without medication. It's so narrow-minded to treat farmed fish as some moral failing.

The Pacific salmon fisheries in North America are generally well managed. Overfishing isn't really a huge threat as a result. In fact you could argue that commercial wild salmon fishing is ecologically beneficial insofar as it brings resources and monitoring to the salmon populations and an economic incentive to keep them healthy.

When it comes to wild salmon (which are definitely under some threat) the far bigger issues are believed to be related to habitat. Dams blocking their transit and high water temperatures are two prominent issues.

Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

#107

I live in Norway and me and my family do not eat farmed fish - for multiple reasons; political, ecological, animal cruelty etc. A hamburger probably has a better nutritional value than farmed salmon. Children and pregnant women should also limit the intake because it can disrupt development. And the color is fake, if they do not add coloring to the feed, farmed salmon would be gray. I could go on the whole day about…

Astaxanthin for the color fair. What about the salmon is bad for pregnant women?

PCB contamination passed on from their fish meal in 2004, not sure if it's still an issue.

Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

#108
post #12

It's interesting to see the power of wealth up close. For one the massive lobbying against any tax on the usage of the fjords(or on the wealth). But there is also cases where they will hire retired professors in tangentially related fields (like sea urchins) to write "scientific reports" "showing" whatever they want, which they then send to individual local MPs to convince them to allow more farming.

The statement from the lobbying group is a classic example of PR deny, deflect, distract, confuse. The statement is basically "we're not the cause of the problem but if there were a problem we're doing everything we legally should so it's not our fault but we're also working to reduce this theoretical problem, which of course does not exist and isn't our fault".

The effects of salmon fishing in Norway aren't limited to the local communities, it influences the whole area, back to the county government. Politicians lose a lot of support if they go against the money because despite driving our electric cars to our cabins and loving going to walks in nature, us living in Norway really, really like the good life and don't want anything to impact that. (To be fair, this also applies to the majority of the planet's population.)

Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

#109
post #9

Strange to have an article about salmon farming drawbacks without mentioning escaped salmons polluting the wild salmon population. There has been a strong decrease in wild salmon as they lose the ability to migrate back up the river to lay their eggs due to breeding with escaped farming salmon.

I suppose natural selection will act on those salmon that can't reproduce.

the farmed salmon were bred to reproduce and grow rapidly

Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

#110

"Sushi has been consumed in Japan for more than 1,000 years but the Japanese had historically preferred tuna, seeing raw salmon as parasite-ridden and unpleasant to the palette. " English isn't my first language and even I know "palette" is wrong. Is it normal for official news outlets to write stuff like this?

>English isn't my first language and even I know "palette" is wrong.

The "and" in your comment implies that you think that being a native speaker should make someone more accurate with this. In fact it's the opposite. It makes sense that it sticks out to you as a non native speaker. Native speakers are less sensitive to the spelling of homophones (and this is true in many languages, not just English).

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