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What can the US administration do about it?
Send you to jail.
How can the US administration send me, a citizen of Sweden, to jail?
Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork
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#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even if the US does ban it, Europe due to its lack of European competitors, has no current similar protectionist incentives. Even if there is regulatory capture in the US, the rest of the world isn't going to follow suit until the current market leaders outright are replaced with other competitors that Europe would want to favor. The genie is out of the bottle in the West already.
> lack of European competitors There's Mistral. Although they've been surprisingly quiet for the last 6 months.
France might do something mad and take that route, but EU wide ain't happening for Mistrals sake.
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#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
Qwen3.6-35B is my daily driver for AI, and what convinced me to cancel my Claude subscription back in April. The Qwen3.6 line is easily the best local model I've tried, and I've tried a lot. I've got it diligently grinding away on my laptop right now, reviewing and fixing some bugs in my F# code.
35B MoE is certainly a good and fast local model. I find 27B dense to be quite a bit smarter, so I daily drive that. I wish there was a ~100B MoE with maybe 10B active. It would be super smart and fast!
A 35 A3B as smart as previous gen 27B would be a sweet point
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#194Lmao I love their video with the idea that people will be able to do their hobbies while ai does their job. Surely Alibaba is leading by example here by reducing work hours per week while keeping pay the same right? Right?
The percentage of the population that needs to work will continue to go down because of aging and automation although you might not see it as a reduction of hours for a given individual employed person. Already 38% of Americans aged 16 or older do not work and are not looking for work and yet are not dying from hunger or exposure. This would have seemed like a utopian dream to someone from the 1800s.
In the 1800s most families only had a single provider, so this percentage may have been higher back then than it is now.
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#195Can a model be stripped off anything not relevant to coding and get a lot lighter? Or is that impossible? Just like we have professors with specialisation wondering if AI models can also be so.
Kind of yes, but this be get you are pretty stupid autocomplete yuo can probably avhieve without an LLM at all.
>we have professors with specialisation
Yes, but any professor with a specialisation is an erudite with vast knowledge across the board.
I'd argue we can have a meaningful BIG model with a specialisation but not vice versa.
PS: all of this is about a model that is expected to be able to execute development tasks on a human level. Obviously we can have small models that are very capable in things like TTS or STT.
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#196I'm trying and failing to find value running a potential Qwen 3.8 27b dense model on a 16 core, 128 GB of ram, 2080ti box. Yes, the GPU yells for help, but the problem is that no math works to upgrade this machine even when pouring $200 in rent every month into the large model providers... How are you all justifying economical use of these local models right now? What's the cost efficient way to do this and do better…
> $200 in rent every month into the large model providers
We all know that is hugely subsidized, and I guarantee that OpenAI and Anthropic are looking to enshittify that ASAP.
The enterprise users, however, are not subsidized like that. They pay per token. And some developers in those companies are chewing down a lot of tokens. Self-hosting an open weight model could be a massive savings very quickly. It also gives them negotiation leverage when talking to OpenAI and Anthropic.
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#197At $2/$6, it can be much more "approachable" than K3. Wondering what have they done differently to be able to afford this price (that K3 couldn't, apparently - most other providers offer similar prices to K3 itself).
Moonshot is printing money on k3. It likely costs the same to serve as qwen3.8. The license requires all major inference providers to sign an extra (secret) licensing agreement with moonshot that almost certainly requires them to agree to this price and pay royalties to moonshot. Watch as the k3 price plummets over the next 1-2 weeks.
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#198They've also announced Qwen3.8-27B being released open-weight next week. Qwen3.6-27B is widely regarded as one of the best local models, especially since nothing else comes close to it, that isn't benchmaxxed, without being significantly larger. If 3.8 truly improves upon it that would be awesome.
Qwen3.6-35B is my daily driver for AI, and what convinced me to cancel my Claude subscription back in April. The Qwen3.6 line is easily the best local model I've tried, and I've tried a lot. I've got it diligently grinding away on my laptop right now, reviewing and fixing some bugs in my F# code.
It was for me too but the new deepseek pricing is too good to ignore for now.
I honestly think that with my electricity prices running qwen 36B myself is more expensive than hitting the cache rate at deepseek.
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#199The visual web development / perceptionbench scores are very promising for image->html flows. Here are some test results. Original designs: https://image.non.io/257dc9cb-9e6b-4e00-8f12-23ea5e073649.we... These are fairly rich, pattern-heavy, nuanced designs. I've asked each to create it as a SPA where the map flows behind it. Opus 5 results: https://html.non.io/opusAcmeBooks Qwen 3.8 max results: https://html.non.io/…
Both horrific (from a user's perspective, perhaps not the underlying code).
I've noticed another type of AI slop that's prevalent in all the popular models; font sizes and variations like you wouldn't believe. It's very hard to instruct LLM's not to do this.
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#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
First and foremost, China isn't energy-limited like the US is. A modern grid, lost of cheap power coming online every day. The worlds most advance ultra-high voltage transport links are tying the deserts in the west to the cities in the south. It probably sucks for you if the proposed powerline goes through your house, but the need of the many come first. Having cheap and plentiful power is a huge market advantage. I…
The US also isn't energy-limited. They'll just price out all humans living there from buying any electricity. EDIT: This was obviously meant to be facetious with the intent to highlight the negative effects on the general population that datacenter buildout has in the US.
USA vs. China energy production graph is wild https://stanfordreview.org/content/images/2025/10/us_china_p...
States have had trouble delivering expected EV charging capacity btw
Why aren’t we considered energy limited?