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Flock – Chilling Effects: Long Island's Emerging Open-Air Prison

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Re: Flock – Chilling Effects: Long Island's Emerging Open-Air Prison

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dropping here, again: - Montana vehicle registrations give you privacy - are not tax evasion, those straw mans and ad hominems are to scare you into giving away your privacy protections - you can pay use tax still (consult a professional, I'm no attorney) That will speak louder to your representatives who are voting in these cameras which violate your privacy. BTW officials in California, Texas have a history of sell…

Care to explain how you can insure a car without the insurance selling your data to data brokers? All states with remotely private registration still require insurance, including Montana.

Re: Flock – Chilling Effects: Long Island's Emerging Open-Air Prison

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dropping here, again: - Montana vehicle registrations give you privacy - are not tax evasion, those straw mans and ad hominems are to scare you into giving away your privacy protections - you can pay use tax still (consult a professional, I'm no attorney) That will speak louder to your representatives who are voting in these cameras which violate your privacy. BTW officials in California, Texas have a history of sell…

Care to explain how you can insure a car without the insurance selling your data to data brokers? All states with remotely private registration still require insurance, including Montana.

Sure. Insurance isn't asking for your vehicle registration though, and is not even getting your license plate. You are not being tracked by flock cameras and your license plate linked to your identity through your insurance registration.

You are though, through your state registration at the DMV.

Unless, of course, you have Montana registrations.

Re: Flock – Chilling Effects: Long Island's Emerging Open-Air Prison

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The flock discourse is slowly climbing the ladder to real discussion. We're at the "mostly intelligent people who are casually interested in the topic being confidently wrong about it" phase (and I know I'm going to get very angry replies accusing me of being one, hah caught you thinking about it!) > log every trip > This system tracks the whole of everyone's movements, every day Funny, because current lawsuits over…

>Do we ban the police when one goes rogue?

I mean worth a shot right? Do we need armed government funded domestic violence perpetrators? Can anyone make the case for the current situation from first principles?

Re: Flock – Chilling Effects: Long Island's Emerging Open-Air Prison

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to explain how you can insure a car without the insurance selling your data to data brokers? All states with remotely private registration still require insurance, including Montana.

Sure. Insurance isn't asking for your vehicle registration though, and is not even getting your license plate. You are not being tracked by flock cameras and your license plate linked to your identity through your insurance registration. You are though, through your state registration at the DMV. Unless, of course, you have Montana registrations.

Insurance demands your vin and reports it to LexisNexis, and anyone with a Lexis Nexis account can turn a VIN into a Montana plate so long as they self-certify that their use complies with the DPPA (which includes enough reasons to drive two busses through, even if you want to assume bad actors don't lie).

Re: Flock – Chilling Effects: Long Island's Emerging Open-Air Prison

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Site fails to load without one heck of a lot of uMatrix unblocking.

The joy of Google sites, page itself, makes zero external requests, the container not so much - will deploy elsewhere.

Thanks!

Re: Flock – Chilling Effects: Long Island's Emerging Open-Air Prison

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

NY VTL § 250(1) says otherwise.

The LLC’s ownership and Montana registration are not inherently tax evasion. The appropriate party can pay California or New York use tax arising from the vehicle’s in-state use. Whether Montana registration may legally remain or California requires a registration from you for a vehicle you do not own is a separate question. Generally, the LLC registers it. Since this vehicle has had its use tax already paid, the tax…

I don’t think a shell LLC is gonna help you avoid the requirement to register a car you own as a New York resident. The law in New York requires that for the vehicle to be considered non-resident it be garaged at the out-of-state place of business. Taxes are irrelevant.

Re: Flock – Chilling Effects: Long Island's Emerging Open-Air Prison

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The flock discourse is slowly climbing the ladder to real discussion. We're at the "mostly intelligent people who are casually interested in the topic being confidently wrong about it" phase (and I know I'm going to get very angry replies accusing me of being one, hah caught you thinking about it!) > log every trip > This system tracks the whole of everyone's movements, every day Funny, because current lawsuits over…

Bad faith argument, borderline flaggable. But I’ll bite. Do you not see any issue with mass surveillance of people’s movements?

I’m an American living in Turkey at the moment. My airbnb host tells me that as a white collar software guy, he personally knows a large fraction of people who have been detained in prison for 1,2 or 3 months for having parties or fake traffic violations.

Of course i don’t love the ever-tightening shackles of algorithmic pricing, which is already well in place for insurance, finance and banking.

But the situation in Turkey reminds me that we are only one “national emergency” away from your freedoms being ripped from us with zero recourse. The chilling effect here is real.

The casually interested, confidently wrong argument can be summed up pretty easily. There is a risk v reward calculation with mass surveillance. What’s the reward? I don’t know the details, but apparently police love the tech because it makes catching bad guys easier. What’s the risk? Unfathomably and Immeasurably high, in ways that we won’t always get to know, or find out years later.

Any refutation of said high risk argument should be something like “relax, guy!” The corporations and state authorities are never gonna use their surveillance of innocents in ways that have any real consequences.

Re: Flock – Chilling Effects: Long Island's Emerging Open-Air Prison

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dropping here, again: - Montana vehicle registrations give you privacy - are not tax evasion, those straw mans and ad hominems are to scare you into giving away your privacy protections - you can pay use tax still (consult a professional, I'm no attorney) That will speak louder to your representatives who are voting in these cameras which violate your privacy. BTW officials in California, Texas have a history of sell…

NY VTL § 250(1) says otherwise.

Is this legal advice?

Re: Flock – Chilling Effects: Long Island's Emerging Open-Air Prison

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Site fails to load without one heck of a lot of uMatrix unblocking.

The joy of Google sites, page itself, makes zero external requests, the container not so much - will deploy elsewhere.

Bear Blog maybe?

Re: Flock – Chilling Effects: Long Island's Emerging Open-Air Prison

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> The list includes a school district near Syracuse, a casino's tribal police force in Connecticut, the Fort Worth, Texas police department 1,600 miles away, and Home Depot Corporation, a private company Can any private corporation request/buy access? Or is Home Depot special? Found this: https://corporate.homedepot.com/page/immigration-activity-ou...

> We do not grant access to our license plate readers to federal law enforcement.

That sounds very weasel worded, if they get license plate readers from someone who does.

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