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Flock – Chilling Effects: Long Island's Emerging Open-Air Prison
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#12"The Supreme Court held in Carpenter v. United States that the government may not track the whole of a person's movements without a warrant. This system tracks the whole of everyone's movements, every day, and no warrant is ever asked. "
~94,000 Cameras in the national Flock network that Southold officers had access to, never disclosed to the Town Board
0 Opt-in or opt-out decisions the Town made about any of this sharing, in its own words
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#13The flock discourse is slowly climbing the ladder to real discussion. We're at the "mostly intelligent people who are casually interested in the topic being confidently wrong about it" phase (and I know I'm going to get very angry replies accusing me of being one, hah caught you thinking about it!) > log every trip > This system tracks the whole of everyone's movements, every day Funny, because current lawsuits over…
You’re responding as if those phrases were intentionally chosen, rather than the stochastic slop that they are.
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#14The flock discourse is slowly climbing the ladder to real discussion. We're at the "mostly intelligent people who are casually interested in the topic being confidently wrong about it" phase (and I know I'm going to get very angry replies accusing me of being one, hah caught you thinking about it!) > log every trip > This system tracks the whole of everyone's movements, every day Funny, because current lawsuits over…
>No, that court case established that the government needs a warrant to get, specifically, historical cellphone pings from a 3rd party (the cellphone companies).
Flock is gathering far, far more intrusive data than "cellphone pings" including hoovering up bluetooth signals and other identifying information. The court may not have ruled on it yet, but it is absurd to think that the courts would think that the government needs a warrant to collect cellphone pings but doesn't need a warrant to collect far more blanket data, including facial recognition on a mass scale. Hopefully we will get a ruling on this sooner rather than later.
>Well why not? It seems like a lot of the flock discussion takes a bizarre twist where people go "It's useless to try to limit it, we need to ban it outright". Like okay? Do we ban the police when one goes rogue? (I guess that's kind of a bad question to ask, given that "defund the police" was trending a few years ago)
This is a bizarre take. Police are a necessary component for running a society. Blanket surveillance is not. This is self-evidently true because society still functioned before the recent past when they introduced blanket surveillance. Equating, or even comparing, a core and necessary function of society, like policing, with a new and completely optional and unnecessary blanket surveillance system is absurd (and that's the polite term).
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#15dropping here, again: - Montana vehicle registrations give you privacy - are not tax evasion, those straw mans and ad hominems are to scare you into giving away your privacy protections - you can pay use tax still (consult a professional, I'm no attorney) That will speak louder to your representatives who are voting in these cameras which violate your privacy. BTW officials in California, Texas have a history of sell…
This is not legal in California. If you are a resident in California you need California plates/registration. Even if you're a non-resident you need to register it here within a short period of time. > Except as provided in Section 6700, 6702, and 6703, any vehicle which is registered to a nonresident owner, and which is based in California or primarily used on California highways, shall be registered in California.
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#18> The list includes a school district near Syracuse, a casino's tribal police force in Connecticut, the Fort Worth, Texas police department 1,600 miles away, and Home Depot Corporation, a private company
Can any private corporation request/buy access? Or is Home Depot special?
Found this: https://corporate.homedepot.com/page/immigration-activity-ou...
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#19dropping here, again: - Montana vehicle registrations give you privacy - are not tax evasion, those straw mans and ad hominems are to scare you into giving away your privacy protections - you can pay use tax still (consult a professional, I'm no attorney) That will speak louder to your representatives who are voting in these cameras which violate your privacy. BTW officials in California, Texas have a history of sell…
This is not legal in California. If you are a resident in California you need California plates/registration. Even if you're a non-resident you need to register it here within a short period of time. > Except as provided in Section 6700, 6702, and 6703, any vehicle which is registered to a nonresident owner, and which is based in California or primarily used on California highways, shall be registered in California.
The LLC’s ownership and Montana registration are not inherently tax evasion.
The appropriate party can pay California or New York use tax arising from the vehicle’s in-state use. Whether Montana registration may legally remain or California requires a registration from you for a vehicle you do not own is a separate question. Generally, the LLC registers it. Since this vehicle has had its use tax already paid, the tax evasion argument won't apply.
Now is vehicle registration evasion a real thing or something you made up to conflate your fear mongering with legality?
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#20dropping here, again: - Montana vehicle registrations give you privacy - are not tax evasion, those straw mans and ad hominems are to scare you into giving away your privacy protections - you can pay use tax still (consult a professional, I'm no attorney) That will speak louder to your representatives who are voting in these cameras which violate your privacy. BTW officials in California, Texas have a history of sell…
NY VTL § 250(1) says otherwise.
The LLC’s ownership and Montana registration are not inherently tax evasion.
The appropriate party can pay California or New York use tax arising from the vehicle’s in-state use. Whether Montana registration may legally remain or California requires a registration from you for a vehicle you do not own is a separate question. Generally, the LLC registers it. Since this vehicle has had its use tax already paid, the tax evasion argument won't apply.