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Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by slaw »

krelian wrote: post #117
TacticalCoder wrote: post #56

> Thanks to a number of factors (new cheaper models, high gas prices, mass arrival of Chinese models, etc.), EVs are currently in high demand in Europe. EVs are in high demand in the EU because laws have been passed in every country and ICE are getting banned in many cities. Chinese EVs did flood the EU not because people did want to buy chinese EVs: people in the EU were totally fine buying ICE cars (german, french,…

Yes there are incentives to buy EVs but they are still much more expensive than ICE vehicles (I'm in the market for a new car so that is an observation from my experience)

EVs are still more expensive? You should thank EU bureaucrats for setting penalty tariffs on Chinese EVs.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by testing22321 »

slaw wrote: post #118
testing22321 wrote: post #69

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And Canadians will soon stop buying the inferior US vehicles (and Mexico already has), because Chinese EVs are now allowed in at only 6% tariff. BYD are taking over.

Chinese made vehicles are limited to 49000/year only. 2.5% of Canadian market.

For now. The quota increases every year.

And it’s very likely that If the orange idiot keeps threatening 50% tariffs on Canadian goods Ike he is now every two weeks then Canada will just drop the quota and open the floodgates.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by foogazi »

Grombobulous wrote: post #94
ben_w wrote: post #74

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Not everyone wants the same thing from a car. Some care most about the price, some about the efficiency, some about the size, some about the comfort, some about the charging speed despite what you say. If Telsa were still innovating, they'd have rounded out their offerings to fill in the gaps that are now getting filled with other brands in the world outside the USA.

I keep shouting from the rooftops that Tesla’s lack of offerings has them completely hamstrung. Tesla sells more vehicles than Mazda, and both brands are in a similar semi-premium non-luxury segment. Compare lineups between these brands. How does Mazda have 3.5 SUVs and Tesla only has 1.5? (The .5 is counting the CX-70 and CX-90, and the Y and YL as essentially the same car) Mazda is able to offer a sedan and hatchba…

> Tesla sells more vehicles than Mazda

Isn’t that all that matters ?

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by slaw »

testing22321 wrote: post #122
slaw wrote: post #118

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Chinese made vehicles are limited to 49000/year only. 2.5% of Canadian market.

For now. The quota increases every year. And it’s very likely that If the orange idiot keeps threatening 50% tariffs on Canadian goods Ike he is now every two weeks then Canada will just drop the quota and open the floodgates.

Quota will be 70,000 vehicles per year in 2030. That's almost nothing.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by HDBaseT »

agumonkey wrote: post #22

The industry has managed a transition. Some European brands have partnered with chinese suppliers while integrating some research in-house. Some cars have a lot of features, cute look, and good price.

By features you mean surveillance and spyware bundled with locked down, closed source software aimed at restricting you as much as possible whilst extracting every last cent out of you.

Effectively no modern car "looks cute" or good. They are all stupid SUVs for soccer moms brainwashed by car marketing.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by medler »

stavros wrote: post #109
medler wrote: post #85

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What is terrible about charging at home from a regular outlet? As long as you average <50-60 miles a day, like most people, you basically never have to go to fast chargers (or gas stations). It’s amazing.

I have a standard plug (not even three phase) and charge 30 kWh in ten hours (overnight). That's around 90 miles, which is plenty. If I'm going on a long trip, I just make sure I start charging from > 50% the previous day, and I'm good. It's trivial to manage the state of charge when you have a charger at home and a planned trip coming up.

In the U.S. our standard outlets are 120V, so you only get about 1kW or so out of them. Plenty for most people, but annoying if you need >50 miles of range a day, or if you want to boil water in an electric kettle. The situation is much better in Europe, and most of the rest of the world, where you have 220+V

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by cadamsdotcom »

aetherspawn wrote: post #49
jfengel wrote: post #42

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It is remarkable that a US company had an enormous lead in BEVs for a decade. Then they just kinda stopped innovating, and slid backwards.

Having owned a Model 3 I would argue that it’s basically “done” at this point, pending software updates for better FSD. It already charges in 20-30 min at Tesla chargers and has a practical range of around 600 kms, so super fast charging is a bit of a straw man. Their big downfall is they lack an advertising department willing to spend $1B on pro-electric propaganda to debunk all the Trump/big oil propaganda. IMO EVs…

For me Tesla's brand is irreparably damaged.

That's worth accounting for - I'm likely not alone.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by Rohansi »

__m wrote: post #120
Rohansi wrote: post #97

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> Which means that ongoing improvements don't actually buy you much of anything, because having to handle an exception every 50 miles isn't a better experience than having to handle one very 5 miles. That's what I thought too but after trying FSD on HW4 for two months I really think they are almost there. HW3 was really bad but I didn't need to intervene once with HW4. I think their biggest hurdle will be more of a l…

If it is so good why don't they take liability? They aren't even willing to risk money while you are ready to risk your life...

Because it's not good enough yet.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by audunw »

decimalenough wrote: post #54
pinkyboy wrote: post #37

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Charging experience? Teslas can't charge as fast as a modern Kia, Lucid, Geely, or BYD. They can't two-gun charge like a BYD. They don't have battery-swaps like NIO. They've got a single charge port in a back corner... very unclear what's best about them. And as for software, on the infotainment side, AA/CP are great (but not available on Tesla), and people often like having _some_ physical controls, which goes again…

Tesla wins on charging because Superchargers are ubiquitous and they just work: you can pull up to one and be pretty much guaranteed that you'll be able to charge. This is manifestly not the case for any of the competition.

This article was about Europe. There is no benefit for Tesla here. It’s all CCS now. Anyone can use Tesla superchargers.

Afaik it’s the same in US, isn’t it? Just with the complication that there’s no government mandated standard, but NACS seems to becoming the de facto standard? So a benefit to Tesla for older models I suppose?

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