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Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by aetherspawn »

kccqzy wrote: post #79
aetherspawn wrote: post #49

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Having owned a Model 3 I would argue that it’s basically “done” at this point, pending software updates for better FSD. It already charges in 20-30 min at Tesla chargers and has a practical range of around 600 kms, so super fast charging is a bit of a straw man. Their big downfall is they lack an advertising department willing to spend $1B on pro-electric propaganda to debunk all the Trump/big oil propaganda. IMO EVs…

You think it’s done only because you are not ambitious enough. And neither is Tesla. A Hyundai charges faster than a Tesla. Chinese cars from several brands are getting five-minute charging times. If you think that’s a straw man I don’t know what to say; a buyer wants charging to be as fast as pumping gas, and are you going to blame buyer stupidity for not delivering on that?

But which brands last longer than a Tesla? None. That’s because faster charging wears out the battery. Charging fast is not marvellous, actually it requires a lot of self-control from the manufacturers to limit charging speed for longevity, even though most people won’t understand why.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by satvikpendem »

aetherspawn wrote: post #101
kccqzy wrote: post #79

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You think it’s done only because you are not ambitious enough. And neither is Tesla. A Hyundai charges faster than a Tesla. Chinese cars from several brands are getting five-minute charging times. If you think that’s a straw man I don’t know what to say; a buyer wants charging to be as fast as pumping gas, and are you going to blame buyer stupidity for not delivering on that?

But which brands last longer than a Tesla? None. That’s because faster charging wears out the battery. Charging fast is not marvellous, actually it requires a lot of self-control from the manufacturers to limit charging speed for longevity, even though most people won’t understand why.

No, because Chinese EVs have advanced in battery technology too above Tesla.

> CATL also says the battery retains more than 90% of its original capacity after 1,000 ultra-fast charging cycles

https://www.evdances.com/blogs/news/hongqi-unveils-ultra-fas...

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by aetherspawn »

reverius42 wrote: post #72
aetherspawn wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having owned a Model 3 I would argue that it’s basically “done” at this point, pending software updates for better FSD. It already charges in 20-30 min at Tesla chargers and has a practical range of around 600 kms, so super fast charging is a bit of a straw man. Their big downfall is they lack an advertising department willing to spend $1B on pro-electric propaganda to debunk all the Trump/big oil propaganda. IMO EVs…

I am very skeptical that your Model 3 has a "practical range" of 372 miles. EPA range for the long range model is 342 miles, and I would expect usable range to be considerably less (since you probably want to start charging at around 10% remaining, and you probably want to stop charging at 80-90%). 0% - 100% is kind of not "practical" as it would require you to fully deplete the battery, and then wait for the slow ch…

Practical meaning I don’t plan to ever drive more than 600km per day so if it’s 600km from A->B, and then a 8 hour charge, that’s fine by me… if I want 700km I’ll stop and charge for 5 min at 30% SOC or so

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by satvikpendem »

tialaramex wrote: post #91
medler wrote: post #83

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I’m convinced super-fast charging will be a game changer, because it will eliminate the ~only remaining downside to EVs. If Tesla had charging tech like BYD the market in the U.S. would look very different

I don't buy it. "Recharging == Fuel" is the wrong way to think about it. Think about your phone. Do you plan how you'll charge that quickly? Do you know where you can get a quick charge at a local mall while ordering coffee? Nope, it just gets charged over night when you're asleep, no problem.

Yes I do get the fastest charging speed and highest battery capacity phone, which are Chinese now too like OnePlus. Once you know you can depend on your phone for a few days, it's a game changer.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by ivewonyoung »

satvikpendem wrote: post #102
aetherspawn wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But which brands last longer than a Tesla? None. That’s because faster charging wears out the battery. Charging fast is not marvellous, actually it requires a lot of self-control from the manufacturers to limit charging speed for longevity, even though most people won’t understand why.

No, because Chinese EVs have advanced in battery technology too above Tesla. > CATL also says the battery retains more than 90% of its original capacity after 1,000 ultra-fast charging cycles https://www.evdances.com/blogs/news/hongqi-unveils-ultra-fas...

Tesla buys batteries from CATL.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by aetherspawn »

tialaramex wrote: post #99
aetherspawn wrote: post #45

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Sweet free free sunshine down here.

Right. Australia is crazy sunny. You might intuitively expect there'd be more PV power closer to the equator but that's not how it works, Australia just doesn't have as much cloud as almost anywhere on Earth, especially places a bunch of people actually live - and so that's a lot more energy ("insolation") from the sun ready to harvest.

Yeah, also we have a lot of room we don’t care about and nobody goes there, so we just put solar panels out there.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by stavros »

asdff wrote: post #76
Grombobulous wrote: post #64

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Most people don’t need a fast charger to own an EV. Most people would actually be just fine on a household outlet.

Sounds terrible if that is your only car.

That's my only car, and it's the best thing ever. I'm never going back to ICE. I have a normal wall plug in my garage and I charge once or twice a week overnight, and I never need to worry about gas station trips.

The fact that I can do 100km with 3 €, even with our expensive electricity, is icing on the cake.

If you don't have a charger at home, though, an EV is a chore, I agree.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by stavros »

realityloop wrote: post #78
Grombobulous wrote: post #64

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Most people don’t need a fast charger to own an EV. Most people would actually be just fine on a household outlet.

Have been charging my model 3 from an outlet since 2020, we only need fast charging occasionally when taking a long trip

Not to mention that fast charging degrades your battery faster. I've had my car for a year and a half and I charged at a fast charger maybe four times.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by stavros »

medler wrote: post #85
asdff wrote: post #76

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Sounds terrible if that is your only car.

What is terrible about charging at home from a regular outlet? As long as you average <50-60 miles a day, like most people, you basically never have to go to fast chargers (or gas stations). It’s amazing.

I have a standard plug (not even three phase) and charge 30 kWh in ten hours (overnight). That's around 90 miles, which is plenty.

If I'm going on a long trip, I just make sure I start charging from > 50% the previous day, and I'm good. It's trivial to manage the state of charge when you have a charger at home and a planned trip coming up.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by stavros »

Grombobulous wrote: post #90
asdff wrote: post #76

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Sounds terrible if that is your only car.

Not really. The average person in America drives about 37 miles a day. EVs gain about 3-5 miles per hour on a household 120V charger. You sleep for about 8 hours and are probably home away from work and errands for an about 12 hours. Do the math: 3 miles per hour for 12 hours is 36 miles. And even if you don’t keep up with your pace, the weekend can act as additional time to charge. Or if you drive more on the weeken…

I forgot that the US uses 120 V, that's a bit less convenient, but I agree. I live in a country that uses 240V, and I ~never need to worry about charging. I'll usually intentionally not charge for days/a week because I wait for the battery to go down to 20%.
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