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Linux Desktop Market Share Surpasses 10% in North America

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Re: Linux Desktop Market Share Surpasses 10% in North America

#51
For sure Linux ecosystem will dominate over Windows if things remain as now. The question is when: in 5 or 15 years. There are so many reasons:

- high hardware prices push people to keep their 5-10 y-o PC that crawl under updated Windows versions

- stupid Windows practices, like ads and updates, that make people feel, well, stupid

- improvement of Linux distro support, mainly due to instant help by LLMs

- a series of other goodies, like games on Steam, practically non-existent malware, strong security, lack of privacy invasion and the most important: legally FREE.

At about 30-35% market share there will be a tipping that will accelerate the adoption through support by big corps, mild monetization and by being just a "sexy compute".

Re: Linux Desktop Market Share Surpasses 10% in North America

#53

Bots pretending to be desktops?

I hope this is not true, but it feels plausible to me. All of those “TV boxes” selling residential proxies may be thousands of additional Linux installs showing up in the stats. If those machines then make a habit of rotating their user agent, could noticeably impact the numbers.

Re: Linux Desktop Market Share Surpasses 10% in North America

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I am curious what is considered a grey market license here? I would guess legal departments only see 2 colors for their licenses, so what makes it a middle-state?

you don't ask the legal department, this way its both black market and white market simultaneously

Schrödinger’s Licence.

Re: Linux Desktop Market Share Surpasses 10% in North America

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A big shift I've noticed in the past few years is how much Windows is increasingly a second-class citizen for developer focused things. Increasingly you'll see a new tool or library or language, and there'll be installation instructions for everything except windows. Or Windows will be "supported" but when you go to run the tests they just don't work. Development has often been more Linux friendly, but it was rarely…

Rightfully so, I think. I’m on a mixed team - Mac, Windows, Linux targeting web; the issues the Windows users have just getting the computer to work are astonishing. I don’t think it is the corporate spyware because my Mac also has corporate spyware.

Windows is just a profoundly awful development environment. So bad they think “run everything in a Linux VM” is a good answer, despite all the performance footguns and complexities it raises.

If you choose to run windows for development, it’s either because you were forced to (e.g. building WPF full time) or you are deliberately choosing a painful rake-filled path.

Not to mention for ~5 of the past 6 years it has simply been impossible to get a good Windows laptop given where Mac set the bar for good.

Re: Linux Desktop Market Share Surpasses 10% in North America

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> medium-technical non-programmer friend completely installed set up Linux without my help using Claude I mean, not to do the HN thing, but I feel like if anything that's a bad sign for Linux that Claude was needed? Basically any desktop distro from the last decade has a simple GUI installer, if anything it's genuinely easier than installing Windows. I'd expect a medium-technical person to be able to handle it just f…

Conversely, my windows 11 has fundamental issues that neither google nor claude can find solutions to.

I wonder if AI recommends regular full reinstalls?

Re: Linux Desktop Market Share Surpasses 10% in North America

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whatever happened to that guy? He used to be the biggest thing on Youtube.

stopped with gaming content for the most part, moved to japan and does the occasional vlog about his kid or family or whatever. retired, basically.

I keep hearing he's retired, yet his channel looks just like any channel by a full-time influencer. The few videos of him I've watched (all quite recent) must have required substantial effort. Like, he's showing off extensive Linux ricing, complex UI/orchestration tools for LLMs,... on top of refined video editing. Whoever actually made all of that, that must have required non-negligible resources. Probably a lot more than videos in his older style, which were more like stream recordings. The cadence of his videos also seemed comparable to other channels I follow. And his videos were all monetized hard, through YouTube, in-video sponsorships, and even in the video description he was selling his subscription newsletter. To me this seems more like he's still very much in the business of selling online content and just evolved his style.

tl;dr: I don't think you and I have the same meaning associated with the word 'retired'.

Re: Linux Desktop Market Share Surpasses 10% in North America

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From one recycler to another, thanks for the work you do! Personally, I typically use gray market Windows keys. I have a hard time moving machines with Linux on them. But I think you are doing a really good thing!

I am curious what is considered a grey market license here? I would guess legal departments only see 2 colors for their licenses, so what makes it a middle-state?

The law is more grey than either black or white. People get in trouble when they think they know something is cut & dried when in fact it's always arguable.

Some other commenter recently said "the law is not autistic".

In this case of course, there is an ocean of valid keys that were purchased or otherwise obtained legally, but under terms that said "you can't resell them or use thim for this or that purpose" but those terms may just be wishful thinking. Just because you write down a demand, even in a contract, even in a contract that both parties agreed to, doesn't garantee you actually ever had a right to that demand or that the other party is obligated to honor it. It might be, or it might be only in some juristictions and not others, or anything else could happen if you put it to the test, and whatever result might even not be final even if you do get your way.

Even if the act of selling or using the key was able to be squarely established illegal, that does not necessarily matter to any downstream recipients. Maybe the key itself is still invalid and MS can detect it and invalidate it any time they want, but that doesn't necessarily mean the end user in in any legal risk since a lawyer might be able to argue that they didn't knowingly do anything wrong (they just bought a computer). Even the recycler might be able to say the same thing, that they just bought keys from someone else. Their legal obligation and cuplability would have to be proven, not just assumed.

The world, including legal departments, has almost no black or white anywhere in it. Merely people with interests in trying to convince you that there is black & white, and they know which is which, and you better give them everything they want with no questions or contest.

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