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Re: Seedance 2.5

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Post by Barbing »

userbinator wrote: post #186
Barbing wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some voices are “$politicalParty should win at all costs” and “my ex-spouse should be humiliated” and “my boss should go to jail for the pittance they pay me”, and instead of text opinions posted or voices shouted, there’s video gen to amplify them. They didn’t have the skill to make a convincing fake video themselves but if tools are at their fingertips… temptation. Really not ideal although obviously amazing artist…

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Well, you can imagine how the first and third examples could go far beyond protected speech.

Boss example -

The First Amendment wouldn’t protect the whole process of making deepfake videos created with the goal of spurring a false imprisonment in retaliation for perceived poor leadership, and sending them off to the company board and town police chief as if they’re real, asking for immediate action.

Re: Seedance 2.5

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Post by galkk »

cautiouscat wrote: post #249
galkk wrote: post #238

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I don’t understand that. Even in my short clips that I do for my kiddo I iterate a lot. Yes, right now it’s mostly prompt and reference images but soon (I think/hope) it will be same tools that are used in real life - things like ability to draw on frames and tell what/how to change etc. reshoots exist in real life for a reason. Look into photo editing where ai based tools can remove subjects, do generative fills and…

Your original point was: > This is the same level of arguing that only painting is the real art and photography is just clicking the button And my point was that these two comparisons aren’t the same. They aren’t the same because photography is an art form and so is painting. They both have essence that I think AI generated art won’t capture. For example, if someone showed you a photograph of a buffalo that had a bir…

You argue with a point that I don’t make.

If a director during montage or review will say: “that shot will be better if camera was 2 feet higher, we need to reshoot” or “that extra takes too much attention from main character, can we remove it digitally”, and the author will prompt the same to ai, for their generated videos (that I’m quite sure will be enabled in next years) - this is the same art. creative process is constrained by available tools, but they don’t define it.

Do you think that people posed for medieval family paintings at the same time?

I see your reasoning a lot in many areas, and in my pov it’s just a final, conceding attempt of gatekeeping.

Painters telling photographers that there is no soul in photography. Film photographers telling the same to digital photographers. Woodworkers telling that cnc’s are not woodworking. Musicians telling that only live music matters and recording doesn’t capture all nuances 100 years ago. Guitarists owning and used hundreds of pedals and amps telling that to digital modeling.

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Post by aenvoker »

globular-toast wrote: post #172
damsta wrote: post #24

I don't think audio, image or video generation should exist. I haven't seen enough positive applications to justify the amount of harm these tools are being used to cause.

What are the positive applications? This all seems to be generating fake images/videos just because we can, not because it solves any real problems. It makes me wonder where the money is coming from to fund this stuff. Why would a regular person want to generate fake videos except for purposes of deception or debauchery?

I was a content moderator for Midjourney for many years. I’ve seen more AI-generated debauchery than I could ever hope to convey. I also saw 100,000x more joy, creativity, beauty and expression in that same community.

Unfortunately, millions of people playing around having low-key fun making low-effort art is a boring headline. One person getting caught trying to be gross with AI drives a million times more media engagement than a million people trying to be creative for once. So, guess which one the media focuses on.

Re: Seedance 2.5

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Post by ziofill »

I acknowledge (and agree) with the sentiments against slop. But should we also entertain the possibility that AI content might become more engaging and entertaining than human content? To me this is far scarier and concerning than a flood of mid-level crap.

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Post by toasty228 »

userbinator wrote: post #116
damsta wrote: post #24

I don't think audio, image or video generation should exist. I haven't seen enough positive applications to justify the amount of harm these tools are being used to cause.

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> Now the masses can amplify their own voices instead.

The the mass is pretty fucking stupid given what we can see online, 99.999% absolute dog shit tier slop

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Post by wensim »

OtomotO wrote: post #187
onion2k wrote: post #184

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China has a population 4 times bigger than the US, and the films you cite did roughly 4 times better in each example.

But how much does ticket cost in China compared to the US? (Genuine question)

I have a friend who works in a Chinese movie theatre. According to them each ticket is from ¥15 to ¥40, though it definitely varies based on the time of the year and the location.

Re: Seedance 2.5

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Post by toasty228 »

bsenftner wrote: post #201
globular-toast wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the positive applications? This all seems to be generating fake images/videos just because we can, not because it solves any real problems. It makes me wonder where the money is coming from to fund this stuff. Why would a regular person want to generate fake videos except for purposes of deception or debauchery?

The lack of creative understanding is astounding: all these generative media AI are fantastic for education applications. Sure, the vast majority want to use them to jerk off, but that's what humanity does anyway. Education is where these are extremely useful, and that is for the aid in conveying understanding to those that need the Jazz Hands of an image or audio or a video presentation to grasp the concept they are…

It's been here for a while, where are the numbers?

Youtube is also great for education, yet 99% of the watch time is pure brainrot entertainment

Re: Seedance 2.5

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Post by fwn »

Jtarii wrote: post #248
MrNeon wrote: post #223

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It doesn't lack those voiced lines because of some purposeful artistic goal.

Art is designed around the constraints that existed at the time when it was created, the constraints are part of the art. All art is a compromise between artistic vision and economic reality.

I liked the vast modding community around Morrowind and had plenty of fun playing around with it in my younger years.

If the concept of art one has in mind limits creative endeavour and acts as a gatekeeper to art, then it is probably better not to have a concept of art at all.

I'm glad I'll never find out how much fun, skill gain and artful cultural production I might have missed if I had carried a false, limiting idea of art back then.

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