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Re: BMW Is Showing Commercials on Their Car's Dash Screens as a Treat

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Post by inigyou »

throwatdem12311 wrote: post #87
inigyou wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's also because nobody on their deathbed regrets not having enough material objects

Well that definitely depends. I bought a speedboat a few years ago. And the memories I have been able to create with my friends and family because of it are irreplaceable. Fishing and camping trips, exploring areas only reachable by boat, etc… Funko Pops? Meaningless plastic garbage. To me at least. Boardgames and videogames? Hundreds of hours of entertainment I get to share with family and bond with my kids over. I…

You said it yourself. You value the things that created experiences. I value the experiences I had with my tent and sleeping bag too, and with my computer.

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Post by kasey_junk »

inigyou wrote: post #90
kasey_junk wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Western populations do.

If western populations are so committed to failure, then failure is deserved.

If your definition of success and failure is based on how well your country motivates the production of consumer goods, I suppose that’s true.

Re: BMW Is Showing Commercials on Their Car's Dash Screens as a Treat

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Post by altairprime »

SilasX wrote: post #89
hollow-moe wrote: post #55

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> 2023: https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/privacynotincluded/toyo... You can safely assume it's only getting worse until proven otherwise.

Mozilla is leveling this criticism? How about leading by example? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15940144 Thanks to altairprime for mentioning it first: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49137765

Mozilla is right to level criticism, regardless of hypocrisy.

The internal debate around the Mr. Robot events was even more fiery than the public reaction, and while the Corporation has busily continued enshittifying, that does not excuse dismissing the Foundation’s critique of auto manufacturers. You’re not only confusing two entirely separate business entities that are formally operated apart from each other, that would risk 501(c)(3) revocation if they fail to maintain that chasm — you’re discrediting a serious and real breakdown of privacy violations on the grounds of hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy does not invalidate legitimate objections. It could, if these had been the same organization as you assumed, invalidate the stated and unstated motivations driving publication. Concrete facts and negative reviews present by an unpalatable and biased source may still be accurate and relevant. What motivation did you consider suspect here, and why do you feel should invalidated their claims regarding auto manufacturers? You could well be right, after all, and I’d rather consider your full viewpoint than dismiss it for being incomplete.

Re: BMW Is Showing Commercials on Their Car's Dash Screens as a Treat

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Post by throwatdem12311 »

inigyou wrote: post #91
throwatdem12311 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well that definitely depends. I bought a speedboat a few years ago. And the memories I have been able to create with my friends and family because of it are irreplaceable. Fishing and camping trips, exploring areas only reachable by boat, etc… Funko Pops? Meaningless plastic garbage. To me at least. Boardgames and videogames? Hundreds of hours of entertainment I get to share with family and bond with my kids over. I…

You said it yourself. You value the things that created experiences. I value the experiences I had with my tent and sleeping bag too, and with my computer.

I made experiences. I didn’t buy the experience itself. Which is what my first post was about.

Re: BMW Is Showing Commercials on Their Car's Dash Screens as a Treat

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Post by thayne »

hollow-moe wrote: post #56

All automakers are bad. Hope you like biking a lot. Reports are from 2023 but assume it's gotten even worse. https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/privacynotincluded/cate...

I like biking ok, but where I live it is too hot in the summer and too cold in the winter for it to be a good mode of transportation. Even if the roads were better designed for bikers, everything was close enough, etc.

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Post by abenga »

bequanna wrote: post #27
voakbasda wrote: post #10

What a spectacularly efficient means to devalue a once “premium” brand. I guess “good will” didn’t get its own line item on their balance sheet.

Beyond Gen X, does anyone younger consider BMW a luxury brand?

What brands would you think younger people consider a luxury brand? They do make smaller and sportier cars, but 5-series and up, X5 and up, those seem firmly in the luxury car category to me.

Re: BMW Is Showing Commercials on Their Car's Dash Screens as a Treat

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Post by spwa4 »

inigyou wrote: post #82
spwa4 wrote: post #79

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Pretty sure a lot of people do. The ones not dying in a deathbed, or just a really crappy one, for example. When your environment constantly irritates or even hurts due to its quality, it is pretty rare to even spend and hour or two not thinking about that. But most young people today have never experienced that. That's a good thing, but it leads to some very weird claims.

I agree, there's a minimum standard. But beyond that, it's vastly overrated, even more than you think. The person who backpacks around the world with nothing has a richer life than the person who sits in a gilded mansion. Donald Trump with his obsession with gold-plated everything is the epitome of wasting wealth on useless material displays.

Nope. That's not how people work. There's a minimum standard, which is rising all the time. It's about how you compare with everyone else somehow, and that goes up all the time.

Re: BMW Is Showing Commercials on Their Car's Dash Screens as a Treat

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Post by epolanski »

kasey_junk wrote: post #21
epolanski wrote: post #15

I have been recently looking at new cars in Europe and there is s massive difference in quality at all price tiers between Chinese and non Chinese cars. Mind you, Chinese cars are often assembled in Europe and have to comply with all the safety laws etc, but at any price tier it feels you're getting a car that is 10k+ more expensive than it is. And that's despite EU putting (non sense) sanctions on Chinese cars and c…

The argument (which has its own pros and cons) is that the Chinese vendors are not competing fair and square. The governmental/industrial coordination in China is quite literally un comparable to Western style industries so the western governments feel they have to protect their local industries. This definitely hurts consumers in the short term, so the whole argument is about long term impacts.

This is bs.

Both German and Italian auto industries e.g. have received countless money.

FIAT alone got an equivalent of 200B+ euros in state/regional aid in Italy alone (that's ignoring the generous incentives of all the countries they opened plants).

Re: BMW Is Showing Commercials on Their Car's Dash Screens as a Treat

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Post by epolanski »

orwin wrote: post #22
epolanski wrote: post #15

I have been recently looking at new cars in Europe and there is s massive difference in quality at all price tiers between Chinese and non Chinese cars. Mind you, Chinese cars are often assembled in Europe and have to comply with all the safety laws etc, but at any price tier it feels you're getting a car that is 10k+ more expensive than it is. And that's despite EU putting (non sense) sanctions on Chinese cars and c…

Chinese cars built in Europe are not taxed/sanctioned. I think the base golf is around 30k. (Renault, fiat and Citroen are better priced than German cars if you don't mind staying in the low-end. You still have park assist, Google/Apple carplay and they are still good on the road, but they feel less luxurious.)

Renault isn't on a lower tier than VW btw.

Re: BMW Is Showing Commercials on Their Car's Dash Screens as a Treat

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Post by npxcomplete »

abenga wrote: post #96
bequanna wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Beyond Gen X, does anyone younger consider BMW a luxury brand?

What brands would you think younger people consider a luxury brand? They do make smaller and sportier cars, but 5-series and up, X5 and up, those seem firmly in the luxury car category to me.

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