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EU will mandate labels on authentic-looking AI content starting August 2

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Re: EU will mandate labels on authentic-looking AI content starting August 2

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Post by LelouBil »

didntcheck wrote: post #87
LelouBil wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look at the written law. I found this definition here : > ... who use an AI system to generate or manipulate image, audio or video content that appreciably resembles existing persons, objects, places, entities or events and would falsely appear to a person to be authentic or truthful (deep fakes) https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2024/1689/oj/eng

That text defines AI as such > ‘AI system’ means a machine-based system that is designed to operate with varying levels of autonomy and that may exhibit adaptiveness after deployment, and that, for explicit or implicit objectives, infers, from the input it receives, how to generate outputs such as predictions, content, recommendations, or decisions that can influence physical or virtual environments To me, this defin…

"Varying levels of autonomy"

So from image generators up to agents.

Re: EU will mandate labels on authentic-looking AI content starting August 2

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Post by zeusly »

figassis wrote: post #60

How do you define "trying to make it look authentic"? You make a deepfake of a politician saying a discriminatory joke, and the author will just say "It was obvious this was not intended to be authentic. Anyone could see it's out of character". But the message already influenced millions.

The law is phrased “real people” which doesnt mean people that exist or are famous but rather people in general. So ai images of people using your product or whatever are real people which have to be labeled.

Re: EU will mandate labels on authentic-looking AI content starting August 2

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Post by InsideOutSanta »

figassis wrote: post #60

How do you define "trying to make it look authentic"? You make a deepfake of a politician saying a discriminatory joke, and the author will just say "It was obvious this was not intended to be authentic. Anyone could see it's out of character". But the message already influenced millions.

I often see this kind of comment on hn. I'm not sure if I'm suffering from confirmation bias, but I do think it's possible that a large proportion of people here think that laws should work like code. What happened is the input, some calculation happens, and the judgment is the output.

But that's not how laws work. In this case, a judge would set some standards, like "would a reasonable person be confused by this", and would rule based on that. It won't matter overly much what the author thinks "anyone could see," but it's also not an entirely objective process with code-like rules. That's just not how most laws work.

Re: EU will mandate labels on authentic-looking AI content starting August 2

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Post by sjs382 »

InsideOutSanta wrote: post #104
figassis wrote: post #60

How do you define "trying to make it look authentic"? You make a deepfake of a politician saying a discriminatory joke, and the author will just say "It was obvious this was not intended to be authentic. Anyone could see it's out of character". But the message already influenced millions.

I often see this kind of comment on hn. I'm not sure if I'm suffering from confirmation bias, but I do think it's possible that a large proportion of people here think that laws should work like code. What happened is the input, some calculation happens, and the judgment is the output. But that's not how laws work. In this case, a judge would set some standards, like "would a reasonable person be confused by this", a…

"The law is not autistic"

Re: EU will mandate labels on authentic-looking AI content starting August 2

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Post by artninja1988 »

rsynnott wrote: post #83

Meta-commentary on this discussion: okay, I know the ‘hacker news’ thing has always been kinda a misnomer, and has gotten moreso. But it’s still kind of shocking to me how little people here value making something, versus pretending to make something. There’s value to actually doing stuff. The amount of “all artists will use AI to pretend to make stuff, because money” is honestly kinda bizarre, and completely misunde…

Doesn't look like this law has anything to do with (non photorealistic) art.

Re: EU will mandate labels on authentic-looking AI content starting August 2

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Post by dudefeliciano »

Yaqub_W wrote: post #67
dudefeliciano wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think that the status quo sucks and that there is no alternative, that's your prerogative. But why do you complain about people who think there is an alternative and try to implement it?

No issues with people thinking anything. Big issues with people using violence and death threats enforcing their image of the world though. As long as it's privately or voluntarily funded and no violence or coercion is used, then I don't really care.

I don't think not labeling an AI generated image will result in violence or death threats. Do you also feel that speed limits are a governmental overreach?

Re: EU will mandate labels on authentic-looking AI content starting August 2

#108

Post by mosura »

danaris wrote: post #100
mosura wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Skip to the end. Let the consumer verify that the product is the unmodified intention of the entity claiming to have produced it and let them decide if they trust it. Tangent: it is notable that certain variations of labelling of that sort would now be considered unacceptable by many: https://web.archive.org.au/awa/20240617043532oe_/https://blo...

"Let the customer verify if the flour has asbestos in it, and decide if they trust it." "Let the customer verify if the car airbags were installed properly, and decide if they trust it. "Let the customer verify if the plant that produced the plastic in their grocery bags is dumping its waste products in the water nearby, and decide if they trust it." No. We have governments and regulations for a reason. It is utterly…

I look forward to you submitting all agency to your superintelligent AI overlords. For your own good, and the good of society!

Re: EU will mandate labels on authentic-looking AI content starting August 2

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Post by dathinab »

Yaqub_W wrote: post #88
dathinab wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

requiring deep fakes to be labeled as deep fakes has nothing to do with censorship there is also nothing selectively about it, it applies to all deep fake equally if you had read the article you would know that this is mainly about deep fakes and other deceptive content, not every use of an AI tool (e.g. line smoothing) requires an AI label, specifically it's only about content "generative AI" usage _in a context whe…

Pros: none Content label doesn't transform the content. It just provides a false sense of category. I still have to think critically whether there is a label or not. Cons: New ways for sociopaths for corruption, embezzlement and censorship. That is my point. This idea that legislation has no downsides is extremely naive and borderline retarded. Look at proposed legislation from the point of someone who wants to destr…

> Pros: none

> Cons: New ways for sociopaths for corruption, embezzlement and censorship.

bot points are just plain wrong, to a point where I'm wondering if you intentionally pretend to be ignorant because it's beyond understanding how anyone can end up with both points

there is no censorship in this law, if people don't want to see AI content and as such don't see your content _this is free market selection working as it should, not censorship_, and if people are fine with AI generated content then that is also market selection working as it should. But it gives people a choice.

> That is my point.

your only point is saying bad bad bad without giving any reasoning of how you even ended up at points multiple levels detached from the intend of the law

where does the censorship come from?, because this laws isn't doing censorship

where does the corruption and embezzlement come from? because that argument seem even more detached from reality

pros none? when there is currently a sever risk to democracies based on deep fake propaganda this law would at least reduce, this is clearly not none.

> has no downsides

no one said there are no downsides, you are putting words in other peoples mouths. But this law is basically applying content ingredient laws from e.g. food to AI generated content in a comparatively limited/mundane form.

> Your thinking seems to be dangerously naive to you and people around you.

Then please reason and not throw jumps to conclusions without reasoning at people and then complain that people don't reason with you and if they do just repeat the same jumps without any reasoning and indirectly tell people they are retarded or think dangerously while also using dishonest argumentative practices like taking their "it seems a good idea" and pretending they said "it has no downsides".

Re: EU will mandate labels on authentic-looking AI content starting August 2

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Post by PowerElectronix »

_puk wrote: post #14
PowerElectronix wrote: post #7

Another step to make users dumb and blindly trusting of their regulators. I don't opose labeling AI content, I opose mandating it and giving users the false confidence that something without label is legit.

You suggesting the inverse? Consciously labelling something as genuine / non AI incorrectly is fraud. "Forgetting" to add an AI label is an error of omission. Feels like the former is far more punishable than the latter.

I mean that you can disinform people with non-AI content that wouldn't be labelled and people would assign more credibility to it because it lacks the AI label.
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