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A Surveillance Treaty in Disguise: Canada Signs UN Cybercrime Convention

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Re: A Surveillance Treaty in Disguise: Canada Signs UN Cybercrime Convention

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Post by zetsurin »

Cider9986 wrote: post #19
watwut wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> With all the libertarian millionaires and billionaires swirling around silicon valley Those are pro-surveillance, pro-repair-prevention, pro-fascism. Libertarianism is about your freedom to restrict others, if you are rich and powerful.

Whereas traditional Democrats and Republicans are all protecting privacy? Thomas Massie is a wealthy libertarian and introduced a bill to protect privacy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_network, he's part of it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Massie, it's just protecting self interest by deregulation.

recommend reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Money_(book) there's a netflicks documentary by the same name that is NOT a substitute for the book.

Re: A Surveillance Treaty in Disguise: Canada Signs UN Cybercrime Convention

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Post by watwut »

Cider9986 wrote: post #19
watwut wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> With all the libertarian millionaires and billionaires swirling around silicon valley Those are pro-surveillance, pro-repair-prevention, pro-fascism. Libertarianism is about your freedom to restrict others, if you are rich and powerful.

Whereas traditional Democrats and Republicans are all protecting privacy? Thomas Massie is a wealthy libertarian and introduced a bill to protect privacy.

The millionaires libertarians consistently support republican party. They are the ones ahifting it to the right and towards fascism.

Re: A Surveillance Treaty in Disguise: Canada Signs UN Cybercrime Convention

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Post by declan_roberts »

failbuffer wrote: post #3

When are we going to see substantive legislation advancing digital rights instead of chipping away at them? For the US, we need a new bill of rights, a bill of digital rights that constitutionally protects right of repair, right to root our own devices, right to be free from dragnet surveillance, right to general purpose computing, and the right to access speech without government-mandated age or identity checks. Wit…

We don't need a "new" bill of rights. If they don't respect the first one why do you think they'll respect the next one?

There's a different remedy for the current situation.

Re: A Surveillance Treaty in Disguise: Canada Signs UN Cybercrime Convention

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Post by hacker_homie »

b112 wrote: post #45

The only way to have age verification on an international level, is to have treaties allowing for the sharing of information about citizens, digitally, in that context. And this is that level of cooperation. And it has all the hallmarks of what comes next, identity verification. And this, is what this is for. In order to prosecute anyone, you need to validate who did the crime. And that requires knowing who that pers…

I wish this was setup like a certificate authority so only the government is able to unmask an individual, but it's going to be pictures of government ID.

I don't think the government themselves are prepared for the amount of identity theft that is going to follow mass collection of government documents.

Re: A Surveillance Treaty in Disguise: Canada Signs UN Cybercrime Convention

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Post by [deleted] »

Iolaum wrote: post #12
Waterluvian wrote: post #5

It feels like there’s this weird layer to domestic and international politics where you do a lot of signalling to one audience while simultaneously winking at other audiences that you’re not actually serious. (I can never tell who is getting winked at…) I feel like WYSIWYG politics is what most of us want, but probably doesn’t actually work. The Ned Stark character that is righteous and right and quickly meets the he…

While I agree this is the case, I think this is a consequence of low education for the general public and low quality of the public discourse. If the quality of those two goes up, then WYSIWYG politics will emerge as a preferred choice. I only wish I knew of possible ways for us to get there :(

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Post by kuboble »

NeOchenHorosho wrote: post #62
gustavus wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ive noticed that when people say we need more education or we need to teach critical thinking or something like that often what they really mean is "It is obvious my position is the intelligent one and those who have a different position are ignorant and foolish and if they just knew more, or were smarter they'd obviously really then superiority of what I advocate for over whatever they believe now." Which is just th…

I'm not gonna make any point about actual politics, but It's a fact that political beliefs heavily correlate with education so there's at least some truth in his point

But I have also observed educated people supporting some parties, ideas or policies rather mindlessly seemingly as a matter of differentiating themselves from the opinions and interests of uneducated.

Re: A Surveillance Treaty in Disguise: Canada Signs UN Cybercrime Convention

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Post by voakbasda »

Avicebron wrote: post #23
airstrike wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, both low education for the general public and low quality of the public discourse exist by design. The only possible way to remedy this is to maximize your own ability to exert power, possibly by becoming massively rich, and then hope it doesn't corrupt you enough along the way such that you can still enact good in the end.

> Unfortunately, both low education for the general public and low quality of the public discourse exist by design. Absolutely. Bread and circuses isn't a new idea. >The only possible way to remedy this is to maximize your own ability to exert power, possibly by becoming massively rich, and then hope it doesn't corrupt you enough along the way such that you can still enact good in the end. Points for the doing good i…

If you have a binary view, Good will always lose.

Evil can act Good, but Good cannot act Evil. Evil has that advantage over Good that cannot be matched.

This continuously plays out in our political systems. Good actors cannot fight the deluge of evil of their opponents, who are free to lie cheat and steal.

Good binds its own hands. For good to win, it must act with even greater evil. At which point, it becomes the very thing that it tried to defeat.

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Post by PunchyHamster »

Waterluvian wrote: post #5

It feels like there’s this weird layer to domestic and international politics where you do a lot of signalling to one audience while simultaneously winking at other audiences that you’re not actually serious. (I can never tell who is getting winked at…) I feel like WYSIWYG politics is what most of us want, but probably doesn’t actually work. The Ned Stark character that is righteous and right and quickly meets the he…

> I feel like WYSIWYG politics is what most of us want, but probably doesn’t actually work.

Well, it wouldn't work for politicians that pick decisions based on what end benfit they get. Would work fine for people. Would need actually honest media tho

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Post by PunchyHamster »

failbuffer wrote: post #3

When are we going to see substantive legislation advancing digital rights instead of chipping away at them? For the US, we need a new bill of rights, a bill of digital rights that constitutionally protects right of repair, right to root our own devices, right to be free from dragnet surveillance, right to general purpose computing, and the right to access speech without government-mandated age or identity checks. Wit…

When people working for corporate interest will stop being voted in. Good luck

Re: A Surveillance Treaty in Disguise: Canada Signs UN Cybercrime Convention

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Post by jolmg »

Iolaum wrote: post #12
Waterluvian wrote: post #5

It feels like there’s this weird layer to domestic and international politics where you do a lot of signalling to one audience while simultaneously winking at other audiences that you’re not actually serious. (I can never tell who is getting winked at…) I feel like WYSIWYG politics is what most of us want, but probably doesn’t actually work. The Ned Stark character that is righteous and right and quickly meets the he…

While I agree this is the case, I think this is a consequence of low education for the general public and low quality of the public discourse. If the quality of those two goes up, then WYSIWYG politics will emerge as a preferred choice. I only wish I knew of possible ways for us to get there :(

>> I feel like WYSIWYG politics is what most of us want, but probably doesn’t actually work.

> then WYSIWYG politics will emerge as a preferred choice.

I think the problem that Waterluvian's is getting at is precisely that WYSIWYG politics is taken as the preferred choice without understanding the implications that make it not actually work. For example, continuing to accept anything that remotely passes as protect-the-children politics without understanding that the consequences are worse than the benefits, even for the children themselves.

> If the quality of those two goes up, then WYSIWYG politics will emerge as a preferred choice.

If the quality of those two goes up, hopefully people start employing second-order thinking and beyond and realize that WYSIWYG politics may not be what it seems to be at the surface level.

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