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Ten Ways NAS Is Getting Enshitified

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Re: Ten Ways NAS Is Getting Enshitified

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post #95

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> That's not a NAS anymore, that's a full server. I think of a NAS as "low-power computer with lots of storage attached" I disagree. And we can at least discuss whether a NAS that doesn't have ECC is that much of a NAS or not. I'd take an old Xeon server with 64 GB of ECC memory, run its CPU in powersave mode, and slap TrueNAS (with ZFS) on it any day over buying a dedicated NAS. YMMV but actual professional server g…

That's pretty mental. Those Xeon E5's are 50w at idle, plus 10w for the 10Gb Ethernet, before you add any storage. A core 3 N300 is 1/10 of the power usage, for ~85% of the performance. Integrity at the filesystem level is required _anyway_ but if you want ECC ram, there's a bunch of AMD processors with similar power usage.

Just slap some solar panels on it!

Re: Ten Ways NAS Is Getting Enshitified

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post #60

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> I wish data centres would release their used supply on market. They do: https://serverpartdeals.com/ Haven’t used them myself, but afair Wendel (Level1Techs) mentioned them at some point.

Server Part Deals is really good since they test the drives themselves. But even the used drives are on the verge of being unaffordable now. They increased the price of their 28TB re-certified drive last month by $120.

Well, you can take a walk on the wild side and for whatever reason this aggregator has a particularly robust set of sorting categories when it comes to hard drives. https://www.saleturbo.com/techdeals/

Caveat emptor, of course.

Re: Ten Ways NAS Is Getting Enshitified

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This architectural shift eliminates the user’s ability to expand memory capacity as self-hosting demands grow, effectively putting a permanent ceiling on running memory-heavy Docker containers, ZFS pools, or virtual machines. That's not a NAS anymore, that's a full server. I think of a NAS as "low-power computer with lots of storage attached", so not being able to upgrade the RAM on one isn't all that surprising.

You missed the point the author really complains about: soldered in memory chips create a single point of failure. What you quoted needs to be seen in the context of what author calls "increasing media demands". I.e. the author believes that while the way the system is configured might be OK today, it won't be OK in the future.

Memory chips failing to me sounds like extremely bizarre fear. Memory has been extremely reliable for long time now. It is much more likely any other component on same mainboard failing than memory.

Re: Ten Ways NAS Is Getting Enshitified

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post #54

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If I have CPU power at my disposal, why should I waste it? I love the fact that my NAS can serve my other needs too.

Do you run services on your home router, your cellphone, and your microwave just because they have CPUs?

Your home router is a pretty good place to run some services… Highly recommend running VPN so you can access your home network from anywhere.

Re: Ten Ways NAS Is Getting Enshitified

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post #121

Speaking of enshitification, this blog is an unreadable mess of ads and popups. As fast as I was in I was out.

Yep. On mobile it was basically impossible to read. 2/3 of the page was covered in ads and pop ups. I figure if they don’t care about the readers’ experience then I don’t care to try to read their content.

Re: Ten Ways NAS Is Getting Enshitified

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post #95

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That's pretty mental. Those Xeon E5's are 50w at idle, plus 10w for the 10Gb Ethernet, before you add any storage. A core 3 N300 is 1/10 of the power usage, for ~85% of the performance. Integrity at the filesystem level is required _anyway_ but if you want ECC ram, there's a bunch of AMD processors with similar power usage.

Just slap some solar panels on it!

https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/

There’s a handful of these projects about. You’d need a moderate battery but it’s just about doable!

Re: Ten Ways NAS Is Getting Enshitified

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post #106

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>That isn't a NAS, then. It's a home server. It's just 2 different usages of "NAS" for different contexts. In a business/enterprise environment, "NAS" is a more constrained definition of a single-purpose rack that only does storage duties. However, in a home environment , "NAS" is a fuzzier definition to also include running "apps" like Home Assistant, Plex/Jellyfish media, or webcam video analysis. Either in contain…

We just need to backronym the shortcut to make somewhat redundant name of "network attached server"

Just call it a home server.

I don't mind too much that a NAS runs file-sharing-oriented software as a bonus feature - if it can run Samba why can't it run Immich? But when you start using it for compute tasks it's not a storage box any more by definition. And that would be a more advanced extra feature whereas the basic functionality of a storage box is always storage.

Re: Ten Ways NAS Is Getting Enshitified

#129
post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You missed the point the author really complains about: soldered in memory chips create a single point of failure. What you quoted needs to be seen in the context of what author calls "increasing media demands". I.e. the author believes that while the way the system is configured might be OK today, it won't be OK in the future.

Memory chips failing to me sounds like extremely bizarre fear. Memory has been extremely reliable for long time now. It is much more likely any other component on same mainboard failing than memory.

It still makes it a single point of failure...

Re: Ten Ways NAS Is Getting Enshitified

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post #124

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Memory chips failing to me sounds like extremely bizarre fear. Memory has been extremely reliable for long time now. It is much more likely any other component on same mainboard failing than memory.

It still makes it a single point of failure...

Every single component in NAS which breaking stops operation is single point of failure. So should those all too be socket mounted?
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