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Ten Ways NAS Is Getting Enshitified

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Re: Ten Ways NAS Is Getting Enshitified

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Post by whyagaindavid »

fuzzy2 wrote: post #6
zeafoamrun wrote: post #4

I built my own NAS, just Ubuntu+ZFS using an old PC I had and it works great. Don't know why people are so crazy about buying prebuilt NASes.

Why wouldn't they be? No fiddling, super compact form factor, (usually) far superior energy efficiency, maybe phone apps, did I mention no fiddling? Also, the form factor!

No fiddling is definitely not a primary point. If one has both valuable or large amounts of data fiddling is inevitable. Nothing I have seen in retail markets is at a level of chromecast or phone setup or TV setup.

And often not only the price is high but poor reliability.

It is amazing that no one spoke about security in any of the child comments of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49131785

Re: Ten Ways NAS Is Getting Enshitified

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Post by userbinator »

This architectural shift eliminates the user’s ability to expand memory capacity as self-hosting demands grow, effectively putting a permanent ceiling on running memory-heavy Docker containers, ZFS pools, or virtual machines.

That's not a NAS anymore, that's a full server. I think of a NAS as "low-power computer with lots of storage attached", so not being able to upgrade the RAM on one isn't all that surprising.

Re: Ten Ways NAS Is Getting Enshitified

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Post by cyberrock »

While I don't disagree with the individual complaints, I've seen this niche go from running scuffed OSes on underpowered Synologies or building DIY NASes with limited case options like the Node 304, to multiple hot swap NASes running great x86 chips (and memory slots) and many DIY build paths including 3D printed cases. Things probably suck for those reliant on Synology, but I'm stoked for this hobby, especially when Minisforum/Aoostar to start pumping out Wildcat Lake stuff.

Re: Ten Ways NAS Is Getting Enshitified

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Post by Stitch4223 »

urbandw311er wrote: post #28

The cookie preference pop up on this site is unacceptable - 1 click to accept all cookies, SEVEN clicks to reject all cookies.

And after a few minutes of reading a pop-up shows for joining their mailing list.

There is no mention of the usual enshittyfication, instead their complaint is that things look generic and that is the last of the list. I would say this is a feature.

The points about locking and dumbing down products are well researched, true and worrisome.

I’ve bought a NAS after watching NASCompares a few years ago, and also an ethernet adapter. His videos are nice. Talking about enshittyfication on an enshittyfied site misses the mark a little bit. “Legitimate interest”… lol.

Re: Ten Ways NAS Is Getting Enshitified

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Post by cryo32 »

hkt wrote: post #27

Just last month I bought a HP Micro server (N54L) from 2012, two second hand 4TB drives, 16GB of DDR3, and a 2.5GbE dual port network card. All in, that was about £180. I may shell out another £30 or so for a half depth, low profile graphics card that can support a couple of transcoding streams. Reading the article, I don't regret it. Part of what puts me off the regular NAS market is price, but also things like non…

That's what I was running for the best part of 8 years until last year. Was very reliable.

In the end I just cleaned out all my shit and got rid of it. Less is more.

Re: Ten Ways NAS Is Getting Enshitified

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Post by podocarp »

userbinator wrote: post #32

This architectural shift eliminates the user’s ability to expand memory capacity as self-hosting demands grow, effectively putting a permanent ceiling on running memory-heavy Docker containers, ZFS pools, or virtual machines. That's not a NAS anymore, that's a full server. I think of a NAS as "low-power computer with lots of storage attached", so not being able to upgrade the RAM on one isn't all that surprising.

Well that's just for home use. Say a small to medium enterprise needing a shared drive. Or even things like say video editing you might need a 10G connection. Furthermore for most it's just a hobby so there's no right or wrong, if you can live with the noise and power of old enterprise gear then kudos to you, or if you think a raspberry pi with a sata hat works then go ahead

Re: Ten Ways NAS Is Getting Enshitified

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Post by blooalien »

urbandw311er wrote: post #28

The cookie preference pop up on this site is unacceptable - 1 click to accept all cookies, SEVEN clicks to reject all cookies.

> The cookie preference pop up on this site is unacceptable - 1 click to accept all cookies, SEVEN clicks to reject all cookies.

Yeah, that kinda dark pattern / malicious compliance junk ought to be straight up illegal. At least on par with "contempt of court" type situations. Sure, they may (just barely) comply with the absolute letter of the law, but the spirit of the law is surely being very much abused and deeply disrespected there.

Re: Ten Ways NAS Is Getting Enshitified

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Post by lm2s »

whyagaindavid wrote: post #31
fuzzy2 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why wouldn't they be? No fiddling, super compact form factor, (usually) far superior energy efficiency, maybe phone apps, did I mention no fiddling? Also, the form factor!

No fiddling is definitely not a primary point. If one has both valuable or large amounts of data fiddling is inevitable. Nothing I have seen in retail markets is at a level of chromecast or phone setup or TV setup. And often not only the price is high but poor reliability. It is amazing that no one spoke about security in any of the child comments of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49131785

Of course no fiddling is a primary point. That’s probably _the main point_. Sure you need _some_ configuration/setup, but it’s in a completely different ballpark to a custom built solution.

Re: Ten Ways NAS Is Getting Enshitified

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Post by trvz »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #12
trvz wrote: post #5

Soldered RAM being bad is an opinion, not a fact. I’ve seen way too many RAM slots go bad. Smart people always get the highest configuration in computers, unless they know they’ll never need some of the resources and can tolerate a lower option.

> Smart people always get the highest configuration in computers Smart rich people, maybe. Have you got the money for extra RAM right now?

It's implied. Truly smart people manage to become affluent.

Re: Ten Ways NAS Is Getting Enshitified

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Post by defrost »

trvz wrote: post #39
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Smart people always get the highest configuration in computers Smart rich people, maybe. Have you got the money for extra RAM right now?

It's implied. Truly smart people manage to become affluent.

The legendary wealth of Paul Erdős was indeed largely of legend alone.
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