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Danube's record low levels force shutdown of Hungary's only nuclear plant

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Re: Danube's record low levels force shutdown of Hungary's only nuclear plant

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>sometimes fossil fuels are a good fit. Oh come on.

Your at the north pole ... its dark all day long (and cold) ... you need some heat and some power

Scott base in Antarctica (NZ's scientific research base) is installing wind turbines and batteries and getting rid of diesel generators.

Re: Danube's record low levels force shutdown of Hungary's only nuclear plant

#163

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I don't know what you mean with "no safe level of fossil fuel use". It doesn't mean anything without contextualizing that statement.

i thought it was pretty clear, personally.

It's unsafe so it's never a good fit? That kind of reasoning is just noise. Unsafe for what? Compared to what? What alternatives, given the constraints, exist?

Re: Danube's record low levels force shutdown of Hungary's only nuclear plant

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Your at the north pole ... its dark all day long (and cold) ... you need some heat and some power

Scott base in Antarctica (NZ's scientific research base) is installing wind turbines and batteries and getting rid of diesel generators.

Yes but the South Pole burns jet fuel. Not much wind and 6 months of darkness.

The hut point peninsula is consistently windy though and the turbines are pretty! https://photos.app.goo.gl/goDVb7KuiKr6soHT6

Re: Danube's record low levels force shutdown of Hungary's only nuclear plant

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Batteries? Starting this year, in Romania you cannot put new PV capacity online without the storage for it, is mandatory. Possibly for existing ones, but I am not sure.

Yes, absolutely colossal amounts of batteries though - what if it’s quite hot but also cloudy for 5 days in a row? You either have to significantly oversize the PV (easier said than done, when its energy density is already not that high per m2), or have enough batteries to last for multiple days of full load. If you do the maths that’s a lot of batteries

>what if it’s quite hot but also cloudy for 5 days in a row?

The main idea is to then import power from somewhere sunny and/or windy or mountainous, using money you saved when they had the rain and you had the sun.

Batteries and other storage mechanisms will gradually reduce the need for doing so, but aiming to entirely eliminate all need for cooperation with others seems a bit paranoid.

Re: Danube's record low levels force shutdown of Hungary's only nuclear plant

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Where have all the "what do you do when the wind doesn't blow and the sun doesn't shine" commenters gone?

Where are the comments about „molten-salt reactors dont need any of that”. And a closed water loop. China builds them on a desert and we cannot build them anywere in Europe due to plain stupidity.

>we cannot build them anywere in Europe due to plain stupidity.

Economics I think. Nuclear power has gone bankrupt in France already (arguably more than once) and gotten bailed out. Now they produce electricity at a price that's often above market price, with losses covered by the taxpayers.

This despite relying on cheap cooling from rivers. Adding more expensive cooling won't help.

We've quite recently reached mass production economies of scale for both solar panels and batteries. The implications are that the price of electricity is set to drop even more in the years to come.

Re: Danube's record low levels force shutdown of Hungary's only nuclear plant

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post #154

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Where are the comments about „molten-salt reactors dont need any of that”. And a closed water loop. China builds them on a desert and we cannot build them anywere in Europe due to plain stupidity.

>we cannot build them anywere in Europe due to plain stupidity. Economics I think. Nuclear power has gone bankrupt in France already (arguably more than once) and gotten bailed out. Now they produce electricity at a price that's often above market price, with losses covered by the taxpayers. This despite relying on cheap cooling from rivers. Adding more expensive cooling won't help. We've quite recently reached mass…

Solar panels keep getting better and cheaper every year. Can't say the same for nuclear.

Re: Danube's record low levels force shutdown of Hungary's only nuclear plant

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post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where are the comments about „molten-salt reactors dont need any of that”. And a closed water loop. China builds them on a desert and we cannot build them anywere in Europe due to plain stupidity.

>we cannot build them anywere in Europe due to plain stupidity. Economics I think. Nuclear power has gone bankrupt in France already (arguably more than once) and gotten bailed out. Now they produce electricity at a price that's often above market price, with losses covered by the taxpayers. This despite relying on cheap cooling from rivers. Adding more expensive cooling won't help. We've quite recently reached mass…

> Now they produce electricity at a price that's often above market price

Do you have any source? I'm not french and all I can hear from the news is that France's nuclear electricity is cheap, for example:

https://thenextweb.com/news/france-energy-advantage-ai-data-...

Now I'm curious what the truth is. Are these articles just fake-news trying to ride the AI wave? (not suggesting, just asking)

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