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A migrant surge tests Spain's open policies

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Re: A migrant surge tests Spain's open policies

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Post by debugnik »

bertylicious wrote: post #27
debugnik wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See my other reply to you, most are in fact not settling.

By your definition a migrant needs to cross borders and successfully settle on the other site. What do you call the people being forced back or stuck in holding facilities and internation camps then?

I'm talking exclusively about this particular breach. 48000 out of 50000 have returned voluntarily. I don't think that counts as trying, so talking about success is a category error. This was a (deadly) flash mob.

Re: A migrant surge tests Spain's open policies

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Post by dtagames »

hamper653 wrote: post #5
Almondsetat wrote: post #2

It's a coordinated hybrid warfare attack. Terrible title. Or are the "migrants" Belarus has been shipping to Poland also a "surge"?

Why the quotemarks around "migrants"? You think these people aren’t actually migrating from one country to another?

Geographically, they're not. Ceuta occupies a tiny corner of Africa. None of these people reached peninsular Spain and they are not migrants fleeing into Europe to live there.

Re: A migrant surge tests Spain's open policies

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Post by lukan »

Almondsetat wrote: post #23
lukan wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source?

Forgive the linked page, but I couldn't quickly find other profiles that posted this, since I don't use twitter https://xcancel.com/visegrad24/status/2083153767164170326

I don't think a ragebait twitter profile counts as a reliable source.

Re: A migrant surge tests Spain's open policies

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Post by lukan »

shevy-java wrote: post #20
itopaloglu83 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is a misunderstanding of having free public transportation during certain national holidays, and the perpetrators using such perks.

50.000 people all trying to infiltrate a country, can not be a random actionn. That was coordinated.

Probably, but does not mean a state organized it. So if there was free transportation just for this day just for that route -> strong indicator of Morocco involved.

So, I a remain curious to the base of the claim, but so far it rather seems rumors.

Re: A migrant surge tests Spain's open policies

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Post by hamper653 »

debugnik wrote: post #31
bertylicious wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By your definition a migrant needs to cross borders and successfully settle on the other site. What do you call the people being forced back or stuck in holding facilities and internation camps then?

I'm talking exclusively about this particular breach. 48000 out of 50000 have returned voluntarily. I don't think that counts as trying, so talking about success is a category error. This was a (deadly) flash mob.

> I'm talking exclusively about this particular breach.

Actually OP was talking about migrants crossing from Belarus.

Re: A migrant surge tests Spain's open policies

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Post by anovikov »

Almondsetat wrote: post #2

It's a coordinated hybrid warfare attack. Terrible title. Or are the "migrants" Belarus has been shipping to Poland also a "surge"?

Well, this is certainly the case. Many migrants said that they were encouraged and directed by Moroccan police that informed people in advance, removed border controls and on the crossing site, encouraged people to cross.

It's an exaggeration to call this an attack - those people were not military, we not legally obliged, conscripted, or paid to do it - the are willing migrants, they actually want to immigrate and live in Spain. What changed is that they were given the opportunity, "they did it because they could".

In any case, they are all back now. It failed.

Re: A migrant surge tests Spain's open policies

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Post by lukan »

dtagames wrote: post #32
hamper653 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why the quotemarks around "migrants"? You think these people aren’t actually migrating from one country to another?

Geographically, they're not. Ceuta occupies a tiny corner of Africa. None of these people reached peninsular Spain and they are not migrants fleeing into Europe to live there.

They migrated to a different, country, that is part of the EU. Once they are legal there, they can move to anywhere in europe without problems.

Re: A migrant surge tests Spain's open policies

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Post by Almondsetat »

lukan wrote: post #33
Almondsetat wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forgive the linked page, but I couldn't quickly find other profiles that posted this, since I don't use twitter https://xcancel.com/visegrad24/status/2083153767164170326

I don't think a ragebait twitter profile counts as a reliable source.

The source is the video, not the profile. Are you claiming it's fake?

Re: A migrant surge tests Spain's open policies

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Post by hamper653 »

lukan wrote: post #33
Almondsetat wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forgive the linked page, but I couldn't quickly find other profiles that posted this, since I don't use twitter https://xcancel.com/visegrad24/status/2083153767164170326

I don't think a ragebait twitter profile counts as a reliable source.

You are very picky.
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