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A migrant surge tests Spain's open policies

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Re: A migrant surge tests Spain's open policies

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> It is also angering the rest of Europe

It is very important to note that you can not leave Ceuta without passport etc. It is not part of Schengen. This is a problem for Ceuta and Spain, and nothing more.

Think about that when you read what your politicians say about the incident. I have seen many lies and false statements the last few days.

The leaders should stand by Spain, not lie to their citizens about the situation to win votes.

Re: A migrant surge tests Spain's open policies

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It's a coordinated hybrid warfare attack. Terrible title. Or are the "migrants" Belarus has been shipping to Poland also a "surge"?

It was indeed an attack. The trains and other public transports to bring these people there were free that day for that specific destination.

You don't happen to have a reliable source for this ludicrous claim?

Re: A migrant surge tests Spain's open policies

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was indeed an attack. The trains and other public transports to bring these people there were free that day for that specific destination.

Source?

Forgive the linked page, but I couldn't quickly find other profiles that posted this, since I don't use twitter

https://xcancel.com/visegrad24/status/2083153767164170326

Re: A migrant surge tests Spain's open policies

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I think this is a misunderstanding of having free public transportation during certain national holidays, and the perpetrators using such perks.

50.000 people all trying to infiltrate a country, can not be a random actionn. That was coordinated.

I was commenting about the free transportation question.

Regarding how such a flood happen, I don’t know, but someone should investigate it for sure.

Re: A migrant surge tests Spain's open policies

#25

Spain dropped the ball here, but I can not help but feel that this has been externally coordinated. That 50.000 people suddenly storm the borders is very very unusual - and also suspicious. That required external coordination really. It also required Morocco to be complicit here and the EU policy to just milk out taxpayer's money is not working, when countries such as Morocco sabotage things. Sanctions should be impl…

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Re: A migrant surge tests Spain's open policies

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Are they, or are they not, foreign-born people crossing a border to settle on the other side?

See my other reply to you, most are in fact not settling.

They are not staying at least one year in Europe?

Re: A migrant surge tests Spain's open policies

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Are they, or are they not, foreign-born people crossing a border to settle on the other side?

See my other reply to you, most are in fact not settling.

By your definition a migrant needs to cross borders and successfully settle on the other site. What do you call the people being forced back or stuck in holding facilities and internation camps then?

Re: A migrant surge tests Spain's open policies

#28

It's a coordinated hybrid warfare attack. Terrible title. Or are the "migrants" Belarus has been shipping to Poland also a "surge"?

Why the quotemarks around "migrants"? You think these people aren’t actually migrating from one country to another?

Until it's proven they want to actually move there, they cannot be called migrants. In fact, 90% of them have gone back to Morocco, so not much permanence to speak of

Re: A migrant surge tests Spain's open policies

#30

It's a coordinated hybrid warfare attack. Terrible title. Or are the "migrants" Belarus has been shipping to Poland also a "surge"?

Agreed. This smells like coordinated externally. Whoever was the main one to have coordinated this should be punished. In case of Finland it was Russia to have coordinated this. In case of Spain, the most logical actor was Morocco. There should be sanctions that are rigidly enforced here. It should also be treated as a military attack against the EU by Morocco, aside from sanctions.

Please don't get the military involved in this. We have enough bs wars already.
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