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A migrant surge tests Spain's open policies

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Re: A migrant surge tests Spain's open policies

#11

It's a coordinated hybrid warfare attack. Terrible title. Or are the "migrants" Belarus has been shipping to Poland also a "surge"?

Why the quotemarks around "migrants"? You think these people aren’t actually migrating from one country to another?

If you watch the videos or interviews with the “migrants”, these are clearly just agitators and looters trying to have a good time by harassing the Spanish. None of them expect to suddenly become Spanish citizens. It’s like flash mobs or organized looting we see in the US organized by social media.

Re: A migrant surge tests Spain's open policies

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post #8

It's a coordinated hybrid warfare attack. Terrible title. Or are the "migrants" Belarus has been shipping to Poland also a "surge"?

It was indeed an attack. The trains and other public transports to bring these people there were free that day for that specific destination.

Source?

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was indeed an attack. The trains and other public transports to bring these people there were free that day for that specific destination.

Source?

I think this is a misunderstanding of having free public transportation during certain national holidays, and the perpetrators using such perks.

Re: A migrant surge tests Spain's open policies

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It's a coordinated hybrid warfare attack. Terrible title. Or are the "migrants" Belarus has been shipping to Poland also a "surge"?

Why the quotemarks around "migrants"? You think these people aren’t actually migrating from one country to another?

48000 out of 50000 in Ceuta's breach won't be migrating actually, since they've already returned voluntarily. Most either were agitators or have realised they weren't any better off on the other side.

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post #3

It's a coordinated hybrid warfare attack. Terrible title. Or are the "migrants" Belarus has been shipping to Poland also a "surge"?

People need convenient excuses to build their inaccurate, personal “reality” and headlines are a perfect medium for that.

It seems that dropping its own boarder enforcement, is a political lever that the Moroccan government sometimes uses in disputes with Spain. Is that what happened here? And these images of a flood of brown migrants, are useful to a lot of consent manufacturing projects, so are getting amplified?

Re: A migrant surge tests Spain's open policies

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why the quotemarks around "migrants"? You think these people aren’t actually migrating from one country to another?

If you watch the videos or interviews with the “migrants”, these are clearly just agitators and looters trying to have a good time by harassing the Spanish. None of them expect to suddenly become Spanish citizens. It’s like flash mobs or organized looting we see in the US organized by social media.

Are they, or are they not, foreign-born people crossing a border to settle on the other side?

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Spain dropped the ball here, but I can not help but feel that this has been externally coordinated. That 50.000 people suddenly storm the borders is very very unusual - and also suspicious. That required external coordination really. It also required Morocco to be complicit here and the EU policy to just milk out taxpayer's money is not working, when countries such as Morocco sabotage things. Sanctions should be implemented against countries such as Morocco. Note that Finland also had sudden increases in migration; in that case it was easily traced back to Russia - that was easy due to proximity, despite Russia lying and denying this. In case of Spain, Russia is most likely not directly the one to have coordinated this, so one has to ask Morocco whether they have went bananas here. And Spain also has to stop acting naive - there is a reason the other EU countries are pissed off. Italy's response was best, even if populistic in nature - if Spain fails to retain EU policies then it should not be part of the EU.

Re: A migrant surge tests Spain's open policies

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you watch the videos or interviews with the “migrants”, these are clearly just agitators and looters trying to have a good time by harassing the Spanish. None of them expect to suddenly become Spanish citizens. It’s like flash mobs or organized looting we see in the US organized by social media.

Are they, or are they not, foreign-born people crossing a border to settle on the other side?

See my other reply to you, most are in fact not settling.

Re: A migrant surge tests Spain's open policies

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It's a coordinated hybrid warfare attack. Terrible title. Or are the "migrants" Belarus has been shipping to Poland also a "surge"?

Agreed. This smells like coordinated externally.

Whoever was the main one to have coordinated this should be punished. In case of Finland it was Russia to have coordinated this. In case of Spain, the most logical actor was Morocco. There should be sanctions that are rigidly enforced here. It should also be treated as a military attack against the EU by Morocco, aside from sanctions.

Re: A migrant surge tests Spain's open policies

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source?

I think this is a misunderstanding of having free public transportation during certain national holidays, and the perpetrators using such perks.

50.000 people all trying to infiltrate a country, can not be a random actionn. That was coordinated.
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