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DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

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Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

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johnny_rico wrote: post #272
xXSLAYERXx wrote: post #258

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You're clearly not an American and they will never catch up on hardware. I'm mostly curious why you are so excited for China to "crush" American companies?

Incursions into other nations "just because"? Economic wars, and support for foreign governments or armed groups that caused harm or instability to the entire planet? You know? Planet Earth? Sanctions and trade policies that hurt ordinary people? Cultural dominance through Hollywood (Holy Wood, again with the sick ruling elite and their witchcraft crap), social media, brands, the poisoning of food and water on global…

Come on. You can say all that nonsense about almost any other country.

Most everyone wants to come to America for the opportunity. Think an immigrant in China has the same economic opportunity as in America? Any other country come to mind?

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

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Post by xXSLAYERXx »

antonvs wrote: post #298
xXSLAYERXx wrote: post #258

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You're clearly not an American and they will never catch up on hardware. I'm mostly curious why you are so excited for China to "crush" American companies?

American ultracapitalism seems to be approaching its final stages. That end can’t come quickly enough. If China helps speed it along, that’s a good thing for all of humanity.

> seems to be approaching its final stages

Sure, if you spend most your time on the internet in various news forums its doom and gloom. Its what sells.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

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Post by tmaly »

jmathai wrote: post #20
throwaw12 wrote: post #10

If deepseek v4 flash is beating DeepSeek V4 Pro, can we expect new V4 Pro which is on par with Opus 5 in couple weeks (even better if it beats Opus)?

I’ve been using v4 flash for an app I’m building [1] and it’s amazing how cost effective and good it is coming from having always used gpt, opus and sonnet models. It’s so cost effective I can offer a generous free tier since my goal isn’t to make money with it. [1] https://trysojourn.app

have you used it for anything outside of coding?

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

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Post by eunos »

xXSLAYERXx wrote: post #258
dpacmittal wrote: post #91

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You're clearly not an American and they will never catch up on hardware. I'm mostly curious why you are so excited for China to "crush" American companies?

The imperial hubris need to be humbled sometime

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

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Post by anon373839 »

0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #106

Somewhat relatedly, how do the economics for Huggingface work? They must be hosting petabytes of models and datasets by now. I have downloaded quite a few “just in case”, only to replace them with the later iteration months later. Does the file hosting actually cost peanuts when you do it yourself and the cloud has shattered my understanding of what it actually costs to deliver so much data?

HF uses chunk-level deduplication that greatly reduces the amount of physical storage needed for a given amount of logical storage.

https://huggingface.co/docs/xet/en/deduplication

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

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Post by wolttam »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #183
luckydata wrote: post #175

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I would like to see your "home"

Two (linked) DGX Sparks would do it I guess. Though probably slowly (I'd guess 15-20 tok/sec for decode, but higher for prefill). So ~$8-9k USD at current RAM prices, substantially less if they ever (sigh) drop. Electricity use would actually be relatively modest. But it makes little to no sense as long as API prices are what they are. Except for maybe privacy reasons.

2 sparks currently run this model at 60 t/s single session, up to just over 100 t/s aggregate with concurrency of 4.

Going local has as opened up a world of use-cases I never would have entertained the idea of on metered/cloud usage. Privacy is a large part of it but, I also no longer think twice about whether to send a prompt or not based on the psychology of it costing money.

Cached input tokens on local inference are free, so I don’t care about running sessions up to 500k tokens and hundreds of turns (it’s rarely useful, but DSv4 remains surprisingly coherent up there)

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

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Post by ungovernableCat »

VulgarExigency wrote: post #279
dominotw wrote: post #263

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same plan as always. stop from producing native capablity and then use the dependency to your advantage like becoming un attackable. cheap shit is more powerful that a nuclear shield.

But why would "we" want to attack them anyway?

The world's a big messy place. You could do something like idk make a whole big mess in a region where they get most of their fossil fuels from.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

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Post by xXSLAYERXx »

eunos wrote: post #304
xXSLAYERXx wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're clearly not an American and they will never catch up on hardware. I'm mostly curious why you are so excited for China to "crush" American companies?

The imperial hubris need to be humbled sometime

Yes agreed that is how the world turns but given the state of world I don't see it happening in any of our lifetimes.
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