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Re: DeepSeek-V4-Flash Update

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I upvoted you just for the Dune reference.

I feel like once they make a mega successful movie of a book we can stop doing the secret handshake.

The only movie I've ever enjoyed after reading the book was Jurassic Park. I've never seen the Dune movies or most other book-based movies, but honestly The Martian and Project Hail Mary were tempting. I'll probably surrender to one of those two someday.

Re: DeepSeek-V4-Flash Update

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Weird, I'm using 5.6 Sol through Chinese resellers and it reverse engineers stuff just fine

That's hilarious that Anthropic and OpenAI can't even secure their products from Chinese resellers, how are they supposed to secure their models from being distilled?

They can't, that's the entire market for resellers all the data collected is used for distillation

Re: DeepSeek-V4-Flash Update

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Deepseek and moonshot are the only two providers I consent to training for.

Xi going to shut down open-weighting of them in a matter of months. No one seriously doubts this. They will be too powerful and they will be gone.

He literally just announced WAICO to make a framework to allow for open source LLMs for disadvantaged countries for the foreseeable future

Re: DeepSeek-V4-Flash Update

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Reuters was reporting that rumor. And then Xi made a public appearance at a conference in Shanghai where he said the opposite of that rumor.

No in that very speech Xi stated explicitly what amounted to: 'of course when we get a Mythos, it will be a state secret'. In fact the overwhelming weight of AI use in China, the chatgpt so to say, is Bytedance's AI which is absolutely closed and uniquely opaque. The press treatment of these matters was no good and they are slowly walking it back, e.g. NYT yesterday finally actually read the speech.

He just straight up did not say that or anything similar to that.

Re: DeepSeek-V4-Flash Update

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Decades of xenophobic propaganda

No, reading Xi's speech. They aren't going to give their Mythos - presumably a few months away - to the Sinaloa cartel or Uighur hackers or the US military or etc etc

Kimi K3 outcompetes Fable on some benchmarks and is not only open weight and open source but they even publish their research and methdology on arXiv

Re: DeepSeek-V4-Flash Update

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Xi going to shut down open-weighting of them in a matter of months. No one seriously doubts this. They will be too powerful and they will be gone.

That isn't the Chinese way. They are much more focused on undermine and extinguish. Just look at the European car industry- on its way to being non-existent after the market was flooded, bye bye manufacturing base. Undercut the US AI providers and wait them out, they will go private after they have a stranglehold

They're not even really undercutting the US right now. They are releasing their models for free. There's plenty of US businesses who's entire existence is hosting these open source models that they didn't pay any Chinese company a single dime for. If anything they're helping create a less centralized and healthier American market

Re: DeepSeek-V4-Flash Update

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I use deepseek for a lot of my personal day-to-day agent needs, and I will simply put this here and let this speak for itself, last 30 days: - Cost: $4.55USD - API requests: 3,467 - Tokens: 323,183,886 And as an engineer who leads a small team, I have very high standards for quality, and these carry across to my personal projects where I use deepseek. It has not disappointed at all for coding or review tasks. For eve…

Those are rookie numbers. Last 13 days including today, so effectively 12 days of usage:

- $19.27 USD - API requests: 7,877 - Tokens: 2,116,598,952

Ok this is a bit of lie, a lot of my tasks are very experimental loops whose 99% output is like rubbish and can work forever continuously and take advantage of that 120x cheaper input cache. Still incredible.

Re: DeepSeek-V4-Flash Update

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I upvoted you just for the Dune reference.

I feel like once they make a mega successful movie of a book we can stop doing the secret handshake.

OP refers to details from the book that are not in either film.

“Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind”…

Re: DeepSeek-V4-Flash Update

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No, platform.deepseek.com for me! The caching is super important, not sure how open router performs, I haven't tried it.

Works out of the box with OpenRouter for most models. Some providers are a bit flaky, but DeekSeek (provider) has been one of the most reliable for me, no problems hitting >99% CH.

The problem is when OpenRouter switches providers..
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