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Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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Post by NichoPaolucci »

wartywhoa23 wrote: post #443
sib wrote: post #396

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"Disturbing" to be able to economically provide cooking, cleaning, laundry, yard maintenance, snow shoveling, etc., for an elderly parent who lives alone (by her choice)? Why is that disturbing?

Because the last thing a lonely elderly person needs at the life's sunset is a soulless clanker around.

I'd actually prefer to hold the hand of an LLMbot while going into the ether.

"ChatGPT, I think I'm dying"

"I hear you, and that takes real courage to say — and it's a load bearing seam that I want to dive into. Let's break this down into a few key areas...

Is there anything else I can help you with?"

I've already flatlined by that point, though.

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Post by xgulfie »

heaney-555 wrote: post #78
xgulfie wrote: post #70

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Level 5 automomy has been "only five years away" for 15 years

You're probably thinking of Level 4. No one thought Level 5 was coming before 2050 until a few years ago. And Level 4 is already here, scaling up, while we're seeing the first real signs of Level 5 (Tesla FSD Supervised). The progress here is staggering - I'm not sure why you're so cynical!

This is why I'm skeptical https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autono...

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Post by siekmanj »

Geee wrote: post #468
siekmanj wrote: post #405

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yes, for heavy lift and bulk manipulation high gear ratios are still necessary. Maybe someday cable drives will be feasible. No question that we are not at human performance yet or that there isn't a ways to go. This is the specific claim I was arguing against: > There has been no innovation in robotic actuators since Honda's Asimo. I believe we are 100% making tangible progress and the technology is improving faster…

I don't think electric motors + reduction gears can be improved much, unless I'm missing something. I hope someone invents something completely new.

Judging from recent improvement it doesn't appear to be a dead end technology, but I guess time will tell!

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Post by NichoPaolucci »

gowld wrote: post #125
criddell wrote: post #114

Do these learn? It would be cool to have a robot that can be taught to drive the same way we might teach a teenager to drive.

No one has any idea how to achieve something like this.

I do - it's pretty simple actually.

1. Build a robot with the capability to learn to drive a car 2. Put it in the car 3. Teach it to drive the car

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Post by infinitezest »

defrost wrote: post #428
Marha01 wrote: post #427

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Why not? A recording from a robot can be potentially viewed by a real human, if the company is not reputable (happened with robotic vacuums). But by default, no humans will view it. A human house cleaner by definition is a real human looking at your home every time.

One human, with a single set of human eyes and a limited network of associates with few immediate criminals looking to take advantage (although, yes, that does happen). Versus a small army of roomba's and equivalents mapping out floor plans and tangentially exposing human occupation times with that large data set almost certainly exposed to criminal and surveillance networks that will almost certainly use some of tha…

It's really surprising how many people fail to account for scale when determining the risks presented by some of this new tech.

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Post by RajT88 »

fidotron wrote: post #404
RajT88 wrote: post #401

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> It's been said that people that say this are transparently trying to manipulate other people Tech does also attract grumpy people. The reason this idea stuck in my memory when I read it - is that it resonated with me. To some extent I feel this way.

> Tech does also attract grumpy people. You have cause and effect wrong; it just makes people that have to deal with the people in and around the tech industry grumpy.

If you're predisposed to being grumpy, regardless of if the reason is justifiable or not - that's called "grumpy". People generally feel justified about their feelings. Imagine that.

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Post by MostlyStable »

sciencejerk wrote: post #501
MostlyStable wrote: post #433

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This is one of those "tell me you don't have kids without telling me" situations. The process of teaching a kid to be a responsible human is long and arduous. If you expect a 2 and a half year old to successfully be picking up their toys, well, I don't know what to tell you. Go spend some time in a daycare, I guess. And of course, that's completely ignoring the fact that I also would like to not have to pick up my sh…

Eh, I actually do have kids, and like other North American children they usually don't pick up their toys. When things get messy enough, the "toy sheriff" comes into town and sets things straight. He's got a hat and a badge and a thick mean southern accent. Toys that aren't put away get locked in "jail" for indefinite time. I won't lie, I don't do this often, and I end up picking up plenty of toys, and would welcome…

The entire arc of human progress is taking things that used to be the domain of only the privileged and making them the domain of the masses. There was a time when if you were not actively contributing to the production of your own food (to the exclusion of almost any other activity), you were extremely privileged. Now, ~ no one (in the West) has to grow/raise/produce their own food and the proportion of most western's productive output that goes to purchasing food is a tiny fraction of overall work.

A new category of task starting to move along this trajectory is to be celebrated. Maybe some day people will clean some small portion of their house the same way that some people now have backyard gardens.

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Post by 93po »

wartywhoa23 wrote: post #289
dragonwriter wrote: post #103

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> Today, humans convert their labor to capital. Capital holders need labor (humans) to acquire more capital. When the price of inference for these robots becomes less than the price of labor then capital holders don’t need labor. Ignoring quibbling about inference not being the only cost and other issues and just accepting the proposed end state: this is very good if capital is effectively democratized, and apocalypt…

> this is very good if capital is effectively democratized Are there any indications to think it's possible in our world?

I mean, there's a time in history when the population successfully brought out the guillotines and made real change against centralized power.

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Post by brynnbee »

Petersipoi wrote: post #246
henpa wrote: post #92

As a 47-year-old man with no kids, I have to admit I'm looking forward to the possibility of having a robot help take care of me in my old age.

The fact that Star Wars like droids seem to be likely within our lifetime is WILD. It's crazy how normal everyone is acting about this.

Honestly having AIs already pretty flawlessly write in basically any language and do good enough translations from any to any is pretty astounding. Throw that on these walking robots and you basically have C3PO. It's not like his arms are good for much.

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Post by andsoitis »

IAmGraydon wrote: post #219
andsoitis wrote: post #55

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If all goes well, imagine a world in which you work because you want to not because you have to.

I'm really curious - are the people who keep saying this in denial or lacking in a basic education in economics? You can imagine all you want, but this is absolutely not a possible outcome.

I happen to have an advanced education in finance and a medium level education in economics.
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