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Re: DeepSeek-V4-Flash Update

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Decades of xenophobic propaganda

Wow! Amazing observation! Wait, do you think there could have been any pro Chinese propaganda? Perhaps even some taking place at the present time? I think it could be possible?

I'm sure there's plenty, but if you put on your rational hat and think about the motivations of the Chinese government you'll realize this claim makes no sense, and there's plenty of evidence and good reason saying the opposite

Re: DeepSeek-V4-Flash Update

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Decades of xenophobic propaganda

No, reading Xi's speech. They aren't going to give their Mythos - presumably a few months away - to the Sinaloa cartel or Uighur hackers or the US military or etc etc

They have already released their models (GLM 5.2 and K3). This is why Amodei and the rest of the effective altruist lobbies are trying to pressure the US government to both ban open-source models and pressure China to do the same.

I’m curious to see why you’re so eager to ban open-source LLMs while being okay with Anthropic’s control. Do you think they’ll rebel against you?

Re: DeepSeek-V4-Flash Update

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Do you have a source for that? The NYT article does not quote Xi making that statement, and I can't find a source for that. In fact, Xi delivered veiled criticism of the security posturing the US has done: > We should put in place laws and regulations, technological monitoring, early warning and emergency response systems in order to strengthen the line of security, prevent abuses and malicious use, and ensure that A…

"Dangers" may indeed be hyped up for marketing purposes or domestic regulatory-capture motives. But as Xi stated, they will become real. It is just a question of being unaffected by the motives of the speakers, which is what adults learn to do.

replying the request for sources with "as xi stated" without bringing the sources again is quite misleading. It seems you have nothing to back what you are saying.

Re: DeepSeek-V4-Flash Update

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What would the benefit of this be? If China stops open weights, US labs still have the intelligence frontier. Maybe once Chinese models have speed, cost, and intelligence beat but right now they don't. Undermining out entire economy by subsidizing the release of DIY versions of our main economic drive sounds like a huge win for China.

> Maybe once Chinese models have speed, cost, and intelligence beat but right now they don't. Yes this is why I referred to 'months' and was downvoted by people who can't distinguish their politics from reality. You are restating exactly the text you are criticizing. This is the nature of mechanical parrotlike repetition of propaganda: a) You can have 'frontier' models with closed weights. Your sentence is basically…

The latest ByteDance Seed model is behind Opus 4.6 in performance. It’s not even in the conversation atm.

The parent made a totally coherent commment that China closing off their open weight models would cede the frontier (and majority of AI users worldwide) to the USA. Nothing you said counters that point.

Re: DeepSeek-V4-Flash Update

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Deepseek and moonshot are the only two providers I consent to training for.

Xi going to shut down open-weighting of them in a matter of months. No one seriously doubts this. They will be too powerful and they will be gone.

He explicitly said he wants open weight models at his recent speech at an AI conference in Shanghai: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48970449#48970784

Re: DeepSeek-V4-Flash Update

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There is already something on HuggingFace at the level of Mythos. It's called Kimi K3 and it's running laps around Opus5, Fable5, and Sol56 at cybersecurity. It's so good that the US government is rushing to ban all Chinese models as fast as they can.

Fine, you believe Anthropic was lying about Mythos. In fact no view of the matter is needed to formulate the proposition above. It is clear China will soon have a model with the powers imputed to Mythos but which you deny of actual Mythos. It is a trial to deal with this level of ideological blindness; 'ideology has no outside'. If someone says 'when they get Mythos...', declare the possibility of Mythos to be the re…

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Re: DeepSeek-V4-Flash Update

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China bad

I'm a) quoting Xi's speech and b) projecting rapid China development to Mythos level. Either you think China will never get to 'Mythos level' because you think China bad; or you think they will release the weights, because you think China bad. Its incredible the weight of ideology over facts in this discourse

You haven't quoted anything actually. Provide sources to your claims.

Re: DeepSeek-V4-Flash Update

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It's good but (at least on openrouter) it's got an annoyingly tight output token limit. So if it does get stuck in a reasoning pit, it won't work its way out of it in time. It's replaced the Kimi models for me though.

Try to use DS platform directly - cheaper and better than openrouter, no subscription

Openrouter has cheaper inference than deepseek for the prior version of v4 flash, which I suspect will happen within a day or two with this version, and they don’t offer subscriptions. Are you confusing it with opencode?

Re: DeepSeek-V4-Flash Update

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Wow! Amazing observation! Wait, do you think there could have been any pro Chinese propaganda? Perhaps even some taking place at the present time? I think it could be possible?

I'm sure there's plenty, but if you put on your rational hat and think about the motivations of the Chinese government you'll realize this claim makes no sense, and there's plenty of evidence and good reason saying the opposite

you are probably right! nobody does more domestic discourse shaping than China, but good reason says none of that would take place externally

Re: DeepSeek-V4-Flash Update

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Can you give more info on how you use/prompt those LLMs for code review and what kind of prompts you use? I've had worse experiences doing it because the quality of answer has been quite bad, and I'm wondering if my methods are the reason.

Yes, gladly! I have not yet open-sourced my skills etc., but I can give some insight and share a couple here. Review is a skill, as in, a SKILL.md with a folder full of references: - SKILL.md: https://gist.github.com/lionkor/161525be858d1d75db4c13c0f093... - references/output-contract.md: https://gist.github.com/lionkor/8c68e33becef7a21f8408c7dc119... - references/review-lenses.md: https://gist.github.com/lionkor/0a8…

Thanks for sharing.
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