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UEFA and its national associations will not participate in FIFA competitions

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Post by HelloMcFly »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #521
HelloMcFly wrote: post #111

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I think hydration breaks can be defensible as long as they are a) conditionally triggered by pre-existing criteria that is b) created by an honest assessment of player welfare independent of economic considerations. I can't say I think the halftime show is a big deal at all though.

We have been playing footbal as 2x 45 min for ever. Make it 4x 22 min and it's not the same game at all.

Given how the world is heating up and weather is getting more extreme, I think there has to be space for player welfare. That doesn't mean there aren't options for how to implement these things, but I don't think adding 2x 3-minute hydration break (for instance) transforms football into some unrecognizable bastardized version of itself provided the impetus is health and safety vs. economics.

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Post by chrismustcode »

tzot wrote: post #380
paulbjensen wrote: post #22

It's only a matter of time before there are sponsors on the Yellow and Red cards...

And corporate UX/Design teams are eager to modernize those cards; yes they're already flat, but canary yellow is so last century and some glass effects or abolishing the rounded corners will be the next thing.

TBF they did have round ones in the premier league at one point - https://www.reddit.com/r/PremierLeague/comments/tpjqcr/who_e...

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Post by Starman_Jones »

dpark wrote: post #496
bluedevil2k wrote: post #486

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That’s the same justification my German friend made. I guess it’s American viewpoint vs European. The Super League would have been like the NFL in the US, where every team can beat any other any given night. That’s much more appealing to me, but to each their own.

The NFL is so balanced not because it’s a “super” league but because every team has the same salary cap. The best team and the worst team all have to spend essentially the exact same amount of money on their players, ensuring that no team can buy their way to the top. Even there it’s still not really true that the best team can lose to the worst team in any given night. The best team is generally favored a lot and ju…

I agree with you, but I think it’s worth pointing out that the NFL is balanced because they tried to make it balanced - the salary cap, draft, revenue sharing, etc. are all outcomes of that plan, not the prime motivators themselves.

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Post by parthdesai »

brabel wrote: post #605
aucisson_masque wrote: post #514

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Honestly no one care about United States, Canada and Mexico in soccer. These countries are irrelevant.

The US just hosted as main host again after only 30 years. Brazil waited from 1950 to 2014 to host again, a full 64 years, and it’s arguably one of the countries most cared about in soccer.

Hosting the tournament has nothing to do with it. America is a lucrative market, and on top of that, FIFA can get away with charging insane ticket prices. I'm Canadian and soccer is my primary sport. Unfortunately, on a global level, nobody really cares about Canada or US when it comes to soccer.

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Post by Someone »

bdangubic wrote: post #455
mcmcmc wrote: post #381

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Here’s a solution: bar FIFA from selling viewing rights to their competitions and allow any station or channel to stream for free. That would grow the global game. Take away the money and FIFA doesn’t have much to bargain with. They need to remember they are a purely administrative organization.

> That would grow the global game. The game is already as global as it gets, 1.5bn people watched the wc final…

> The game is already as global as it gets

There is a tiny bit of room for expansion. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c5y03dermmeo:

“Football is almost non-existent on this Pacific island. Nauru has never fielded a team in an official international match and it has just one – hard sand – pitch.

While there is interest in big Premier League matches, and children wear Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo kits, any attempts to actually play football tend to be mocked, unless it's Aussie rules.”

(Nauru is about 21 km², 21,000 people)

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Post by triceratops »

Crusoe123 wrote: post #608
triceratops wrote: post #389

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Everything has an impact on how the game is played. For example Mexico played their games at 6000 feet above sea level, giving them a big advantage. Even the ball moves differently in thinner air. At least with hydration breaks, everyone got them and they were the same for everyone. I know sports fans don't like change. If everything else about this WC was perfect I'd say "Fine, go ahead, complain". But this is the t…

Introducing a break for the sole purpose of more advertising time and therefore trying to extract more value from me as a consumer, is a huge issue. Probably no.1 systemic issue of our time, where on every corner and for every breathing moment someone is optimizing to extract ever more value from others. It is incessant and never stopping. It's exactly what enshitification is, people accepting these type of small cha…

> Introducing a break for the sole purpose of more advertising time... trying to extract more value from me as a consumer

So turn your TV off. Cancel your subscription. Support your local league team in person.

> Compared to this Balogun red card is a tiny issue.

Strong disagree. The Balogun red card strikes at the very heart of fair competition within the game.

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Post by tovej »

w10-1 wrote: post #374
PaulRobinson wrote: post #313

The moment external investors acquire ownership interests in FIFA competitions, football changes forever. Commercial return becomes a permanent obligation. Investor expectations become a daily pressure. From that moment onwards, every decision on the international calendar, every decision on competition formats and every decision shaping the future of football is no longer driven by what best serves the game, but by…

> Do it consciously Yes > These words apply to any investment [...] the entire culture has to change I think that's fatalistic. There are plenty of people and legal structures that limit the influence of investors to reasonable returns, most famously founders retaining control, or the public benefit corporation (like Veeva) or nonprofit (OpenAI as the counter-example showing how even structures are no guarantee). It'…

Co-ops or democracies are the only type of organization that has some resistance to power hungry conmen.

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Post by tovej »

nwbt wrote: post #92
orangedog wrote: post #53

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How does it violate the laws of the game? Every single break time decision in football is arbitrary already.

Every rule in sports is arbitrary, that's not an argument. If you want to do it properly, ask about the spirit of the game, not the laws - and there's clearly a conflict there.

The half time show did, however violate the letter of the rulebook. There is a maximum duration for half time breaks, which was exceeded easily.

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Post by gpderetta »

jondea wrote: post #255
maccard wrote: post #141

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> Hard to think of a modern institution as corrupt as fifa IOC is about the only organisation that comes close to it I think.

In the Dictator's Handbook the authors argued that FIFA and IOC function similar to autocratic dictatorships because there is a small group of people who are essential to power. Therefore it is rational to buy them rather than do the right thing by the fans (who have very little power). As cold as the reasoning is, the explanation stuck with me. Their suggestion is to open up the power structure, e.g. to all past pla…

FIA is getting there as well.
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