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Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year
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Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year
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Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year
#403Earlier quoted context omitted.
> There should be a law that forces social media companies to use a different algorithm for anyone under a certain age and be required to disclose it to the public. Possibly different algorithm depending on age group. Frankly, in that case I want the kids algorithm. It is preferable for me as an adult, I do not want the intentionally harmful one either.
Yeah, seriously, New York just passed law that makes it illegal to show engagement-driven feeds to kids. I can’t wait to not age verify on instagram and permanently get back a feed that’s only people I follow.
You know you can also just not use Instagram...
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#404Earlier quoted context omitted.
The government can just arrest you and lock you out of all sites. It's not like they cannot do it today.
You can disable Internet access for millions instantly. You can't arrest millions.
Again, this can be done already? Look at any authoritarian country killing internet access the moment anything happens.
Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year
#405I find myself stuck on the fence with age checks. Companies have show that they are incapable or unwilling to address the problems they cause. And market forces are not working to correct things. It’s also pretty obvious that saying “parent should take responsibility” is also not working. Just observe the world around you to know it’s a non starter. This is where regulation is supposed to come in. At the same time, c…
The parenting argument is a complete cop-out. There's no universe where you can be shoulder hovering 24/7. This could've been solved years ago with robust parental controls. But companies like Google just didn't want to because they wanted to shove ads in kids' faces.
Good parenting is not shoulder hovering... It's teaching and instilling values and lessons that get the child to make the right choices in regard to what they do with technology. Like how we teach kids not to talk to strangers.
Parents should be teaching kids from a early age how to use technology responsibly.
Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year
#406Earlier quoted context omitted.
The answer is quite simple. You just don't verify it. The point isn’t to verify the age but to set the age on the device itself. If the parents set the age on the cell phone or computer, that setting is then used as the basis. The operating systems can be configured so that only the device administrator can change the age. Systemd already has a field for storing the age, which programs can read. If the child doesn’t…
Are you a parent? I have personally used the parental controls on Android, iOS and ChromeOS and to be honest they are terrible. Issues with syncing changes, the terrible UX for parental access control (iOS...), issues around audit/access logs, issues around prompting the parent for access. I am honestly shocked that Apple known for its polished experience hasn't been forced by angry parents. My daughter's school actu…
Cross-platform support is very poor (iOS/Android/Windows/Mac)if ur trying to use family link. After trying to make FL work for weeks, i moved to another service that has morel granular features than FL and detailed activity reports with web filtering rules but its paid but it atleast works instead of those unusable knobs on FL.
Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year
#407I'm fundamentally opposed to age verification because it usually leads to mandatory account creation no matter how privacy friendly the age verification process itself may be. It's already extremely annoying that, for example, on YouTube, you can no longer watch many videos without an account. Furthermore, the whole thing also reinforces monopolies. Once you've verified your age on one platform, the barrier to switch…
At glance this looks reasonable but how do you enforce that kids connection always goes through the parents control? You are just moving the verification point to another gate, it means that no anonymous connections are possible anymore to the entire Internet because we want to allow parents to control their kids. You want to use your friends Wi-Fi? Now that requires full identification so that we know that its not s…
> but how do you enforce that kids connection always goes through the parents control?
Because the devices they're given by their parents should be administered by their parents. The minors wouldn't have administrative control over their devices at all.
> You want to use your friends Wi-Fi? Now that requires full identification so that we know that its not some kid
The device wouldn't care how the connection to the internet is made. It ultimately obeys the parents' settings.
The Wi-Fi doesn't need to care either way.
> You are just moving the verification point to another gate, it means that no anonymous connections are possible anymore to the entire Internet because we want to allow parents to control their kids.
Not at all. This wouldn't affect people without parental controls on their device at all. They'd be able to have anonymous connections as they do now.
The only difference from the server-side is adding some special path /.well-known/parental-info.json or an HTTP header to responses that would indicate what's on the page from a parental perspective, so the device can make a decision whether to display based on its parental settings.
Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year
#408Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why does your daughter have a Chromebook in the first place?
Schools in some places seem to require them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kpHaYze8kI&t=90 > We are being Forced to Buy Chromebooks [...] The school sent a list of requirements for the specs and functionality
Shameful.
Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year
#409I'm fundamentally opposed to age verification because it usually leads to mandatory account creation no matter how privacy friendly the age verification process itself may be. It's already extremely annoying that, for example, on YouTube, you can no longer watch many videos without an account. Furthermore, the whole thing also reinforces monopolies. Once you've verified your age on one platform, the barrier to switch…
> The only acceptable solution would be for apps and websites to simply include a recommended age. Allowing parents to configure their children’s devices to block services that require users to be older than the specified age or that do not provide an age rating. That just entertains the false justification for what is ultimately about surveillance and control. There are privacy preserving alternatives to accounts an…
If indeed the push for age verification is being done under false pretenses as you suggest, then one should propose solutions that accomplish the stated goals while preserving privacy. Either the solutions will be accepted, or the people advancing false pretenses will be forced to come up with new false pretenses, which will weaken their arguments. Either way is a win.
Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year
#410Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you have more than 100 million in the bank you should be barred from using the internet...
Cool, so no change? Even even a multi-billionaire usually doesn't have a 100 million lying in the bank (unless they sold some asset and are going to buy another soon).
I think you know yourself that the parent poster didn't mean literally coins in a bank vault like Scrooge McDuck.