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Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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Post by canyon289 »

I'm a researcher at Deepmind that contributed to these models. (And the opinions here are my own)

Just want to say, Deepmind is a great place to work and the only (Edit: one the few unique labs!) lab where you can move from large frontier models (Gemini), frontier open models (Gemma), robotics (what you see here), science (weather, biology, more) and basically any other topic related to intelligence. It's really an incredible place to be, with incredible people. Consider joining! And thank you for the enthusiasm here.

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Post by infecto »

soperj wrote: post #101
neutronicus wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, a twice-monthly house-cleaning service is running you ballpark 5k/year and people treat that shit as non-negotiable. I tried to claw back that line item after our second baby was born (wife didn't want them in the house anyway when we had a newborn), and it was completely unsuccessful. She claimed misery and all our friends were on her side. So the lifestyle stayed inflated.

> ballpark 5k/year How big is your house? When we had a cleaning lady it was $70 a go. Under $2000 for every second week.

$70 a go? That’s got to be the cash only person to person handshake agreement. That would never buy you laundry too.

I think I remember maybe around $100 including laundry almost 20 years ago and that was a cash type arrangement, weekly including laundry (multi hour visit).

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Post by f6v »

xnx wrote: post #137
garbageman wrote: post #122

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Automatic litter box is a great example. We've had one for ~7 years and it's still going strong. High initial cost that pays back every day over the course of what will likely be a decade+ of usage. Absolutely worth every penny if you look to the horizon. I imagine the robot mowers and robot house maids will fall under the same type of payback but with even higher upfront costs - perhaps this will turn into yet anoth…

> We've had one for ~7 years and it's still going strong Interested. Which one?

Yeah, I heard all it does is smear shit all over itself. Any good brands?

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Post by tantalor »

hexeater wrote: post #146
xnx wrote: post #133

While Anthropic and Open AI get 80% of the attention here, it's impressive to see how much Google is doing: near frontier model, fast models, open weight models, image generation, video generation, music generation, robotics, etc.

And protein folding + Nobel Prize

Google DeepMind disbands its Nobel-prize winning AlphaFold team

https://www.engadget.com/2225849/google-shuts-down-alphafold...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49098375

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Post by tavavex »

p1esk wrote: post #21
aabhay wrote: post #4

Can anyone that works on this technology provide an honest assessment of where this technology actually stands? How much instrumentation is actually required, what the interaction quality is, how much trouble do humanoids have with in the wild daily tasks like turning doorknobs, recovering from falls, avoiding knocking into things, etc.

It’s still at GPT-1 level, but GPT-2 moment feels imminent.

What signs point to an inevitable GPT-2 moment in this field?

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Post by CardenB »

YuechenLi wrote: post #207
CardenB wrote: post #157

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AFAIK NVidia has a VLA running on their chips with 2B params at 10Hz. They’ve openly published a .5B model running at 10Hz

10Hz is still a 0.1s of latency, which doesn't seem like a lot until you realize that an Arduino typically runs at 16 Mhz, which is literally a million times faster than running a full LLM. So, yeah, for complex reasoning and sensory processing, LLMs are the correct choice, and Gemini is especially strong at spatial reasoning over ChatGPT/Claude. But for actual motion/actuation? LLMs are the wrong tool for the job, p…

For this operating domain the latency comparison is human reaction time and not arduino reaction time.

Also the process that’s running at 16MHz is not the same as a full VLA. VLA is much more expressive. You think the processor that is running the VLA system is running at 10Hz or some GHz?

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Post by Geee »

I've kind of given up on humanoid robotics, because of how bad the actuators are. There has been no innovation in robotic actuators since Honda's Asimo. There's just no way that someone wants a 80kg wobbling tin can in their home or workplace.

My bet is that the final robotic revolution will use genetically modified human/animal bodies with replaced brains. You'll have to stretch your ethics a bit, but if you grow a bear genetically modified in a way that it has no consciousness or thought, it'll make a much better construction worker than any humanoid robot. You'll just need to wire it up with neuralink and then control it via LLM. Fast animals can be used to deliver packages, and giraffes for warehouses.

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Post by IAmGraydon »

andsoitis wrote: post #55
ausbah wrote: post #35

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and this is good?

If all goes well, imagine a world in which you work because you want to not because you have to.

I'm really curious - are the people who keep saying this in denial or lacking in a basic education in economics? You can imagine all you want, but this is absolutely not a possible outcome.

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Post by RajT88 »

fidotron wrote: post #156
RandomLensman wrote: post #36

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Honestly: why?

Humans have emotions. Best avoided.

It's been said that people who do not have a high EQ gravitate towards tech, because machines are easier to understand than people.
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