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Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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Wow, what a time to be alive!

I would caution against enthusiasm. Anyone opposing those who end up controlling these robots won't be alive for long.

These robots can't do combat, not effectively anyway, but that's already jumping three stages ahead, because first off, why would they?

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Robotics with AI is the real revolution.

Today, humans convert their labor to capital. Capital holders need labor (humans) to acquire more capital. When the price of inference for these robots becomes less than the price of labor then capital holders don’t need labor.

Obviously, AI impacts non-manual labor too, but a significant portion of the world population does manual labor.

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These robots look slow and not very fluid in their motions, but LLMs like ChatGPT also looked very dumb initially. If progress is as fast as LLMs , this could have massive applications in a few years.

I believe that it's also for safety, these robots would easily destroy themselves if not restrained (and cause damage).

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Robotics with AI is the real revolution. Today, humans convert their labor to capital. Capital holders need labor (humans) to acquire more capital. When the price of inference for these robots becomes less than the price of labor then capital holders don’t need labor. Obviously, AI impacts non-manual labor too, but a significant portion of the world population does manual labor.

and this is good?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, the dishwasher takes much longer to do the dishes than I do by hand, but that's cool. That said, the dishwasher is out of the way. I don't think we'll get household robots anytime soon. Hell, the only ones that can afford them will be the same that would hire human household help.

> Hell, the only ones that can afford them will be the same that would hire human household help. But maybe they'd rather deal with a robot than a human?

Honestly: why?

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Robotics with AI is the real revolution. Today, humans convert their labor to capital. Capital holders need labor (humans) to acquire more capital. When the price of inference for these robots becomes less than the price of labor then capital holders don’t need labor. Obviously, AI impacts non-manual labor too, but a significant portion of the world population does manual labor.

and this is good?

It's good for capital holders. It does imply a further shift in the distribution of wealth though with all the attendant implications thereof.

I question the premise that humanoid robots are "around the corner". I suspect this will turn out more like self-driving cars which are still a very slow burn.

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These robots look slow and not very fluid in their motions, but LLMs like ChatGPT also looked very dumb initially. If progress is as fast as LLMs , this could have massive applications in a few years.

We don't get virtuous feedback loops in hardware though. Muscles are incredible engineering that took half a billion years. Token generation (speech) is low hundred thousands maybe. Unless of course improved AI navigates the space of ideas so well that it can give us alloys or synthetic flesh that does twitch as fast...

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These robots look slow and not very fluid in their motions, but LLMs like ChatGPT also looked very dumb initially. If progress is as fast as LLMs , this could have massive applications in a few years.

For house keeping tasks the robotics companies love showing off... it honestly doesn't matter if it takes a robot longer than a human to clean your house. As long as it gets done before you get home from work, no big deal.

I'm bearish that they'll be economically viable in the house for a very long time.

For businesses the bar for adoption is very low: If the thing can work repetitive jobs for 24 hours a day and replace 3 shifts, the purchase bar is nominally anything less than 3 x human salary if your budgeting horizon is 1 year. That's a high number, and probably fairly easy to achieve.

For homes, it's a very different bar. You'd have a hard time convincing most American families to purchase anything with a >$1000 price tag. Currently that's pretty much impossible for a humanoid.

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