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Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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Re: Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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Post by soperj »

neutronicus wrote: post #65
qurren wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm bearish that they'll be economically viable in the house for a very long time. For businesses the bar for adoption is very low: If the thing can work repetitive jobs for 24 hours a day and replace 3 shifts, the purchase bar is nominally anything less than 3 x human salary if your budgeting horizon is 1 year. That's a high number, and probably fairly easy to achieve. For homes, it's a very different bar. You'd hav…

I mean, a twice-monthly house-cleaning service is running you ballpark 5k/year and people treat that shit as non-negotiable. I tried to claw back that line item after our second baby was born (wife didn't want them in the house anyway when we had a newborn), and it was completely unsuccessful. She claimed misery and all our friends were on her side. So the lifestyle stayed inflated.

> ballpark 5k/year

How big is your house? When we had a cleaning lady it was $70 a go. Under $2000 for every second week.

Re: Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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Post by prima-facie »

heaney-555 wrote: post #47
prima-facie wrote: post #41

A lot of these household tasks could be automated without the need for humanoid robots. Roombas can clean your floor, automated rubbish disposal can be integrated into houses and flats, grocery delivery and storage could be done via an automated intake, cataloguing, and storage system. Humanoids are just creepy and you can't really trust them. Could you sleep easily knowing that you have one in your house? What if yo…

>automated rubbish disposal can be integrated into houses and flats, grocery delivery and storage could be done via an automated intake, cataloguing, and storage system This is a complete non-starter for already-built apartment blocks, terraced homes, and even most semi-detached. It's an interesting but costly solution for new detached homes. Humanoids are a useful form factor because the already-built human world is…

Doing what's ethically right rarely means taking the most convenient path. Fridges and pantries take a considerable amount of space in our homes. These could become part of an automated storage system.

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Post by dragonwriter »

logankeenan wrote: post #32

Robotics with AI is the real revolution. Today, humans convert their labor to capital. Capital holders need labor (humans) to acquire more capital. When the price of inference for these robots becomes less than the price of labor then capital holders don’t need labor. Obviously, AI impacts non-manual labor too, but a significant portion of the world population does manual labor.

> Today, humans convert their labor to capital. Capital holders need labor (humans) to acquire more capital. When the price of inference for these robots becomes less than the price of labor then capital holders don’t need labor.

Ignoring quibbling about inference not being the only cost and other issues and just accepting the proposed end state: this is very good if capital is effectively democratized, and apocalyptically bad if it remains highly concentrated in a narrow class.

Re: Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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Post by RandomLensman »

margalabargala wrote: post #96
RandomLensman wrote: post #76

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You'd need to manage the robot, too, I would think. In my experience, I rather manage people than machines.

Sure, but others have the opposite preference. Machines tend to be more predictable.

I think machines are just unpredictable in different ways (for example, changes from software updates).

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Post by mmh0000 »

andsoitis wrote: post #55
ausbah wrote: post #35

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and this is good?

If all goes well, imagine a world in which you work because you want to not because you have to.

I think this is way too optimistic. I suspect these things will be only available to the already-quite-wealthy. While the poor (i.e., not billionaires) are left to rot and starve without jobs, property, or livelihoods. Then, when the poors (i.e. us) become too much of a headache, these things will be deployed to murder the poors (i.e. me).

I am imagining a world somewhere between the movie Elysium and Oblivion.

Re: Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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Post by jameshart »

qurren wrote: post #40
pwython wrote: post #16

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For house keeping tasks the robotics companies love showing off... it honestly doesn't matter if it takes a robot longer than a human to clean your house. As long as it gets done before you get home from work, no big deal.

I'm bearish that they'll be economically viable in the house for a very long time. For businesses the bar for adoption is very low: If the thing can work repetitive jobs for 24 hours a day and replace 3 shifts, the purchase bar is nominally anything less than 3 x human salary if your budgeting horizon is 1 year. That's a high number, and probably fairly easy to achieve. For homes, it's a very different bar. You'd hav…

Robot lawnmowers are mostly over $1000 already and they only do one thing. Heck, a lot of lawnmowers are over $1000.

You can pay over $500 for an automatic cat litter box. Robot vacuums can be cheap but run to $600 or so. Household appliances is a robust sector where people have a proven track record of spending a lot of money.

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Post by nope1000 »

brendong wrote: post #74

Is anyone building non-humanoid robots? Feels like humanoid is limiting the creativity of building a truly useful robot in today's age

In the Xiaomi Model Demo, they have non-humanoid robots

https://robotics.xiaomi.com/xiaomi-robotics-1.html

Re: Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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Post by si1entstill »

qurren wrote: post #40
pwython wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For house keeping tasks the robotics companies love showing off... it honestly doesn't matter if it takes a robot longer than a human to clean your house. As long as it gets done before you get home from work, no big deal.

I'm bearish that they'll be economically viable in the house for a very long time. For businesses the bar for adoption is very low: If the thing can work repetitive jobs for 24 hours a day and replace 3 shifts, the purchase bar is nominally anything less than 3 x human salary if your budgeting horizon is 1 year. That's a high number, and probably fairly easy to achieve. For homes, it's a very different bar. You'd hav…

I'm not sure.

I think house cleaning/chores require at least a "part-time" job's work of work for the average household (especially with children). We may be atypical, but my partner and I don't want to hire out a cleaning service and deal with the whole human component. But, I think we'd gladly pay 15k+ if it allowed us to take on the additional gainful workload. Even at a 20k price tag, I suspect we would likely have made up the difference in under a year.

Re: Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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Post by michaelmrose »

heaney-555 wrote: post #60
qurren wrote: post #40

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I'm bearish that they'll be economically viable in the house for a very long time. For businesses the bar for adoption is very low: If the thing can work repetitive jobs for 24 hours a day and replace 3 shifts, the purchase bar is nominally anything less than 3 x human salary if your budgeting horizon is 1 year. That's a high number, and probably fairly easy to achieve. For homes, it's a very different bar. You'd hav…

>You'd have a hard time convincing most American families to purchase anything with a >$1000 price tag. Like cars, they'll likely purchase them through finance deals, with a monthly payment. Or perhaps even rent/lease them.

People are financing small consumer goods with 3 digit price tags because they can't afford their mediocre already leveraged life. They borrow high 4 to low 5 figures for a car because they can't get to work to earn money so they don't have to join the bums sleeping on the cardboard. They will not be borrowing high 5 figures to low 6 figures for Rosie the Robot.

If Rosie was the only output she would never happen. Rosie might happen as a side benefit of replacing American workers but only for the rich people.

The vast majority which may be replaced would probably be better off burning down the factory rather than celebrate their upcoming domestic helper.

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