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Re: Superlogical

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Post by fhn »

nvme0n1p1 wrote: post #149
fortuitous-frog wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bun and the Rust pre-release have continued to be open source; the pre-release isn’t exclusive to Claude Code but available to anyone to download and use. There hasn’t been any public motion to indicate they may close source anytime soon. This FUD is so easily fact-checkable that I’m genuinely confused at how it caught on

> I’m genuinely confused at how it caught on Probably because they said AI rewrote it in 11 days, yet haven't cut a release almost 2 months later. If their AI finished it, where's the release? They ported enough of it to run a single app (Claude Code). Good job. But if I ported Linux to Rust and it was only capable of running a single app, should I be able say it was a complete port? We'd all agree that was misleadin…

Would you release it when it's not complete?

Re: Superlogical

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Post by rvz »

iririririr wrote: post #66

> We will build a high-quality terminal multiplexer that remains excellent at that job, even as it grows to support the second and third parts of the plan. why this feels the next step is data collection and Ads?

Would you pay for it to not have data collections and ads?

Re: Superlogical

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Post by pbjerkeseth »

brandall10 wrote: post #120

This sounds like a mashup of of several things I've been playing with lately... - pi-web ( https://pi-web.dev/ ): a web frontend for the Pi coding harness which can multiplex pi sessions across multiple machines - herdr ( https://herdr.dev/ ): a fairly polished agentic multiplexer TUI, can easily spawn or destroy windows based on subagent activity - firstmate ( https://github.com/kunchenguid/firstmate ): a meta envir…

Since you seem curious about these types of tools, might I interest you in ouijit https://ouijit.com/ https://github.com/ouijit/ouijit

Its intended as a terminal agent orchestrator aimed at power users who want a little more design than what I like to call 'hackerman' UXes.

Re: Superlogical

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Post by nvme0n1p1 »

simonw wrote: post #185
nvme0n1p1 wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’m genuinely confused at how it caught on Probably because they said AI rewrote it in 11 days, yet haven't cut a release almost 2 months later. If their AI finished it, where's the release? They ported enough of it to run a single app (Claude Code). Good job. But if I ported Linux to Rust and it was only capable of running a single app, should I be able say it was a complete port? We'd all agree that was misleadin…

> If their AI finished it, where's the release? Producing a stable release for their community of code that had been written by AI in 11 days and had not yet been extensively tested in the real world would be grossly irresponsible. Instead, they made the AI rewrite available as a canary release and shipped it for a month as part of Claude Code to millions of their own users.

So... not finished, then? There have been lots of commits between then and now.

If I pay someone to build a house and they left me a voicemail saying "Yep the house is finished, it only took us 11 days!" And then later, "No, you can't move in yet, still fixing some last-minute issues (there's no plumbing yet)." We would classify this as: a lie. And if you told it to your investors: fraud.

Would it really be so bad for Anthropic to admit that a project of this size takes months instead of weeks?

I'm not saying AI is not capable of this. I'm saying that their dishonest marketing has given ammo to their haters.

Re: Superlogical

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Post by nvme0n1p1 »

fhn wrote: post #221
nvme0n1p1 wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’m genuinely confused at how it caught on Probably because they said AI rewrote it in 11 days, yet haven't cut a release almost 2 months later. If their AI finished it, where's the release? They ported enough of it to run a single app (Claude Code). Good job. But if I ported Linux to Rust and it was only capable of running a single app, should I be able say it was a complete port? We'd all agree that was misleadin…

Would you release it when it's not complete?

> Would you release it when it's not complete?

Nope. I also wouldn't lie and say it's complete when it isn't.

Re: Superlogical

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Post by tipiirai »

leetharris wrote: post #7

This is an incredible idea. I would usually be skeptical that such an engineering-focused tool would "make it," but Mitchell Hashimoto is one of the very few people I think can pull it off. This is going to change so many things if it starts getting adopted.

Can you give me one concrete use case that explains how this is an incredible idea? Thanks

Re: Superlogical

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Post by simonw »

nvme0n1p1 wrote: post #224
simonw wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If their AI finished it, where's the release? Producing a stable release for their community of code that had been written by AI in 11 days and had not yet been extensively tested in the real world would be grossly irresponsible. Instead, they made the AI rewrite available as a canary release and shipped it for a month as part of Claude Code to millions of their own users.

So... not finished, then? There have been lots of commits between then and now. If I pay someone to build a house and they left me a voicemail saying "Yep the house is finished, it only took us 11 days!" And then later, "No, you can't move in yet, still fixing some last-minute issues (there's no plumbing yet)." We would classify this as: a lie. And if you told it to your investors: fraud. Would it really be so bad fo…

> Would it really be so bad for Anthropic to admit that a project of this size takes months instead of weeks?

I think that's exactly what they've done by not shipping a stable release yet.

I don't think they've been pushing that "It only took us 11 days!" message nearly as hard as their critics suggest that they have.

Re: Superlogical

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Post by dinobones »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #219

Sounds like something that could be done with by pulling in a few dozen Emacs extensions and writing a few thousand lines of elisp. (And one of those extensions would be the libghostty base ghostel.) It's sort of what I'm doing already -- using emacs-server to provide portable persistent sessions on top of a bunch of terminals, agents and editor buffers. It's a 1% effort on my part and super janky and super me-specif…

This is like the “why not use FTP yourself” response to the YC Dropbox page.

Yes, but good, standardized developer tooling is valuable.

Postman could’ve also been a “just use CURL and dump to JSON” for example.

I actually am bullish on this. Tmux and ssh are somewhat clunky and probably under utilized by most people. I struggle to find commands, navigate sessions, see history, and so on.

Also in an “agent” based world where you might ask an agent to execute things for you, how do you manage that context well beyond just giving it its own Tmux session to drive?

It’s a good idea, and I’m surprised no one’s built it sooner.

Re: Superlogical

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Post by passive »

My biggest token sink so far has been something very much like this, but I'm still not sure whether it's a good idea. But it has been a lot of fun.
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